03-03-2004, 08:09
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Aimpoint or E O Tech
Gentlemen,
I'm in the market for either an Aimpoint M2 or an E O tech 552.A65.
I am torn though as to which one to get, being that they are both comparably priced.
I have throughly read through the reflex thread located here I just can't make up my mind. I have shot the Aimpoints before but I have never shot an E O tech, nor do I know anyone (around here) who has one so a test fire is most likely out of the question.
This is for a work M-4gery (no rails though  ) I have put together.
Engagement ranges will be 50 yards and in (maybe 100 yards once in great awhile).
Would you guys please chime in with your opinions on which one you personally perfer as a sighting system? Or if given the option which one you would buy?
Thank you for your time I really appericate it.
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03-03-2004, 09:29
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Can an aimpoint perform under these conditions?
http://www.eotech-inc.com/images/obstruct.gif
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03-03-2004, 09:37
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I like both equally well. The only advantages that the Eotech has IMHO is a more common battery and In my case I dont have to dismount the scope to change batteries.
Im sure you could pick up an Eotech real cheap in Bogota or atlanta right now 
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03-03-2004, 10:18
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Funny you mention that Psywar...
I was moping through the Atlanta airport a while back and talking to my wife about how much I wanted to buy an Eotech for my M4clone. Anyway, this airport employee guy must have overheard me and comes up to me and tells me he had one for sale for $100.00 cash. I told him that was a deal and asked why he was selling it. He said he had no need for it anymore and decided to get something with magnification anyway. Damn that was lucky for me... The friggin Eotech ( has the night vision capability and uses AA batteries) works great and I really love it ESPECIALLY getting it so cheap from that airport bag checker!!!
SOme people are just luck I guess.
Anyway, why would it be cheaper in Bogota or Atlanta???
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03-03-2004, 15:57
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Because mine was stolen last week out of my bag either in Bogota or Atlanta.
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03-03-2004, 17:18
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Can you describe the stolen item, Mr. Psywar? 
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03-03-2004, 18:24
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Quote:
Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Because mine was stolen last week out of my bag either in Bogota or Atlanta.
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What a coincidence!
At the range cited, I would prefer the Aimpoint.
Had one for over two years, used regularly, haven't changed a battery yet, so I don't see battery size as an issue.
TR
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03-04-2004, 19:36
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i'm a bit torn between them, too. i've been using the aimpoint for a few years and the eotech 551 for about a year. here's my .02
dot - i prefer the eotech. i like the 1moa center dot for more precise shooting and the large circle for close-range shooting. surprisingly, the eotech dot seems clearer to me.
sight picture - the eotech is more 'open' with less in your field of view. another thing you can do with the aimpoint is when your battery starts running low and you lose dot intensity, you can flip the front scope cap closed and use it as an occluded eye gunsight (OEG). flipping the front cap closed increases the contrast to the background, almost doubling the perceived intensity.
switch - the eotech is easy to turn on, but it's slower to turn the intensity up or down. more difficult to turn the eotech off, especially with gloves (needs two fingers). however, it's got the auto shut-off that the aimpoint doesn't have. i've left the aimpoint on before, and it's also turned on accidentally (knob rubs the gun case and turns on) and i've drained the battery.
battery life - no contest here. i've got the 551 with the little N cells. aimpoint wins hands down, although the rev F eotech is supposed to have improved battery life.
mounting - i've never heard of a failure, but the eotech only uses one screw. i'd like to see two. the aimpoint allows more choices in mounting height. if you use an ARMS SIR (not bi-level), the eotech will not co-witness with your irons - it's too high. co-witnesses perfectly on a flat-top.
bottom line is that you can't go wrong with either and it boils down to personal preference and what of their different features are most important to you - they're both excellent sights.
cheers,
MM
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03-04-2004, 19:58
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Guy:
They are just "looking around the visual obstruction". An Aimpoint works the same way, just like you can close the front Butler Creek cap and use the sight as an OEG. You don't need to see the target through the lens at short ranges, just a properly zeroed reticle.
TR
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03-04-2004, 21:22
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Thank you all. I really appericate it, I'm still really on the fence and can't decide.
MM:
Great site you have, keep up the great work.
Gentlemen,
Lets say I go with an aimpoint which mounting device do you personally perfer/ recommend?
Thank you in advance for any and all help.
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03-04-2004, 21:36
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Thank you all. I really appericate it, I'm still really on the fence and can't decide.
MM:
Great site you have, keep up the great work.
Gentlemen,
Lets say I go with an aimpoint which mounting device do you personally perfer/ recommend?
Thank you in advance for any and all help.
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ARMS #22M68, or the KAC Cantilevered.
Email or PM MSTN, he sells them, and is who I bought my Comp M2 and #22M68 from.
TR
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03-04-2004, 21:44
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Thank you TR.
Does the ARMS #22 mount allow for Co-witnessing?
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03-04-2004, 21:54
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Thank you TR.
Does the ARMS #22 mount allow for Co-witnessing?
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It does with the right spacer and depends on whether you are doing a direct receiver mount, or on a rail, like the ARMS #38.
TR
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03-04-2004, 21:57
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Quote:
Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Thank you TR.
Does the ARMS #22 mount allow for Co-witnessing?
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the GG&G cantilever or standard mounts are both good - very similar to the KAC ones, but the GG&G ones have spare battery compartments.
(not TR, but i'll throw in my .02) with the ARMS #22M68, you'll probably need the full spacer to co-witness with the irons when mounted on the flat top. (haha, TR types faster than i do)
i use aimpoint reail-grabber mount myself, and haven't had any complaints. however, the locking knob sticks out on the left side and some have found it pokes or gets in the way. i'm a leftie, so it doesn't bother me.
thanks for the kind words - glad u like the site.
cheers,
MM
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03-04-2004, 22:30
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The Trijicon is going back in the box, and I would like to go with as clean a mount as I can find. I too am left handed so I'm not worried about a thumb stud sticking out the lefthand side of the rifle.
I would like to go directly onto the flat-top reciever with out having to jack around with any risers or spacers. But on the other side of the coin if the risers and spacers are clean and neet then I wouldn't have a problem using them. I'm a big fan of K.I.S.S. so the less b.s. the better.
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