09-04-2004, 17:02
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Can you guess all three...
Before anyone asks, they are all INERT 
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09-04-2004, 17:07
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Not the right nomenclature but.....
Toe popper, golf ball grenade and Chicom stick grenade.
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09-04-2004, 17:39
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I agree with LR.
U.S. M14 Anti-Personnel Mine, NWM V40 Dutch Minigrenade, and I would suspect the Chinese Type 77-1 Fragmentation Grenade.
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09-04-2004, 20:38
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You guys are good. The first two are indeed the M14 "Toe Popper" and the Dutch V40.
Now, can anybody tell me where the Dutch came up with the design of the V40?
Your close on the "stick" grenade but this one is not of Chinese origin. 
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09-04-2004, 20:43
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You guys are good. The first two are indeed the M14 "Toe Popper" and the Dutch V40.
Now, can anybody tell me where the Dutch came up with the design of the V40?
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Correction, Russian RGD33 Fragmentation Stick Grenade.
How was that?
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09-04-2004, 20:46
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I stand before you as a humble servant 
Not bad TR, but I do believe you will have problems with the next one 
Want to go for the $1,000,000 and guess where the design came from?
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09-04-2004, 21:14
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Ruchnaya Granata Degtyareva
("Hand Grenade of the Degtyarev design")
Model 1933 used during WWII and after, thru Vietnam.
Sheet metal construction, with a removable outer fragmentation sleeve. Time delay fuze with a cocked striker, activated when thrown, utilizing a unique mechanical system.
A most complex grenade design. The RGD-33 was the next generation replacement to the W.W.I. Model 1914/30 stick grenade, which also had a released igniter fuze mechanism.
Rgd-33 (Ruchnaya Granata Degtyareva - Hand grenade Degtyarev) is an anti-personnel grenade with fragmentation. It was developed by Diakonov in 1933, it is largely inspired by V.I.Rdutlovskiy model 1914. It was then improved by engineer Degtyarev. To make it function, it was necessary to push a safety towards the line and to insert a jacket there to explode it (after a course times). This grenade was especially used in its defensive version (represented below) because it could project fragments with more than 20 meters. It was a rather good grenade but it was not without defects. The many operations to prepare it required too much time of the soldiers on the ground and its many parts were expensive (in addition to making long to produce). It was abandoned in favour of Rg-42 .
I would guess you are referring to Degtyarev, and that he was also responsible for the majority of Soviet weapons designs in the inter-war period, to include the RPD MG.
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09-05-2004, 11:05
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Anybody still want to try to and guess where the design of the V40 came from?
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09-05-2004, 11:24
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V40 Fragmentation - Mini-Grenade - Netherlands - The NWM V40 is a special purpose offensive grenade, popularly used for diversionary attacks and discouraging pursuit. Weighing close to 4 ounces (~0.11kg), the V40 can be carried in much larger quantities than the heavier M61. The smaller size comes at a price, however. While producing 326 fragments, the V40's effective casualty radius is only 5 meters. Accurate placement is paramount if the thrower actually wants to hurt someone.
Tactics: (N3.5 Only) Ideal for use by the fumble-fingered AI, the V40 is also handy aginst camping opponents and Tangos hiding in small rooms. However, active and alert opponents can easily escape the small blast radius if they have room to run.
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09-05-2004, 11:38
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Golf ball grenades
I would guess they were a copy of the old golf ball grenades we carried in the 60s and early 70s. 
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09-05-2004, 12:05
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V40 Fragmentation - Mini-Grenade - Netherlands - The NWM V40 is a special purpose offensive grenade, popularly used for diversionary attacks and discouraging pursuit. Weighing close to 4 ounces (~0.11kg), the V40 can be carried in much larger quantities than the heavier M61. The smaller size comes at a price, however. While producing 326 fragments, the V40's effective casualty radius is only 5 meters. Accurate placement is paramount if the thrower actually wants to hurt someone.
Tactics: (N3.5 Only) Ideal for use by the fumble-fingered AI, the V40 is also handy aginst camping opponents and Tangos hiding in small rooms. However, active and alert opponents can easily escape the small blast radius if they have room to run.
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Classic reply earlier!
Using gaming web sites for weapons info?
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09-05-2004, 12:21
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Lmao.
TR,
I've seen that grenade before...I just can't remember who was carrying them at the time.  They do come in handy, when a suspected "tango" is coming up on your rear entirely to fast.
Flashbangs work well also!
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TR,
I've seen that grenade before...I just can't remember who was carrying them at the time. They do come in handy, when a suspected "tango" is coming up on your rear entirely to fast.
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Good, but a PDM is SO much better!!
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Good, but a PDM is SO much better!!
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Have to adhere to the ROEs...even stricter from the last time I was there, from what I'm hearing for the PSCs.
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OSS - WWII It was called a Beano.
They also had one with a propeller on top to arm after it went for a distance and airburst. an instructor blew his own head off throwing it up in the air in one of the few fatal training accidents they had involving an instructor.
Also had an explosive that looked like flour and could be baked, but not eaten - called it Aunt Jemima. Made it into muffins.
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