01-25-2013, 16:09
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Originally Posted by koz
Could CID get involved? They track down all sorts of gear that is sold illegally to pawn shops. Perhaps that would get Gun Plus's attention... Maybe make them turn over the information of the individual who bought it.
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Good Idea. If someone can get the the number to the FTBragg CID office and a name I could call and see if a Fellow Fed LEO request would help them to look into it.
This tactic has worked really well with the Coast Guard (CGIS) and NCIS in the past. We have an office in the RD area and one of the guys might also have a good POC.....
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01-25-2013, 16:20
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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
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From: martin mancuso [mailto:martinakm@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:23 PM
To: Klapperich Joseph T MAJ (5SFG)
Subject: RE: Yarborough Policy Letter
Maj Klapperich,
I fully understand the SF community desire to keep these within its ranks.
Looking over the included info there doesn't appear to be any thing legally barring the sale of this item.
It appears that the letter sets the standards for "Retail" sales of the knives to individual.
This item was purchased in good faith, by Guns Plus, with the intent of resale.
As you have noted, this item was put on line for auction. Checking with our internet sales person, I was informed that we
received payment this morning for the sale of this knife.
As per the auction contract we are obligated to complete the sale.
Thank you for your concern in this matter.
Martin Mancuso
Guns Plus, NC
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I bet if it was a set of NVGs he had sold and CID called, he would stop the sale and cooperate ASAP.
TR
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01-25-2013, 17:25
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I find it sad that he won't assist because there is nothing "legally" barring the sell. How about helping based on "principle" and "doing the right thing". What a great philosophy to utilize in growing your business.
The problem is that with many -- principle is over-ruled by money and selfishness.
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01-25-2013, 17:51
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Maybe they need to be posted in the "Hall of Shame"
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01-25-2013, 19:54
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Very sad, it needs to be enforced that when a guy has his tab taken his knife goes too, if its policy already then their is no excuse for it not being done.
not all members of the "me" gen has forgotten and either will my kids 
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01-25-2013, 21:01
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I've got a pretty good relationship with the SWC JAG. I'll mention this to him Monday morning. Not sure if he can do anything, but it's worth a shot.
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01-26-2013, 09:25
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Maybe I missed something, but wasn't it reported here that the seller had ended the auction? And according to the link to the auction the reserve was not met, so how is the store obligated to complete the sale?
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01-26-2013, 09:29
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Originally Posted by 69harley
Maybe I missed something, but wasn't it reported here that the seller had ended the auction? And according to the link to the auction the reserve was not met, so how is the store obligated to complete the sale?
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I mentioned that in my e-mailed response to him on page 3 of the thread...
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With regards to the auction, from our monitoring it was pulled off of auction with the bid being at $405 and noted that the reserve had not been met. It may have been listed on more than one site. However, it would seem odd that it was pulled from only the auction that I mentioned unless the intent was to simply placate our request.
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Not surprisingly, he chose to longer engage me in conversation 
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01-26-2013, 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 69harley
Maybe I missed something, but wasn't it reported here that the seller had ended the auction? And according to the link to the auction the reserve was not met, so how is the store obligated to complete the sale?
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Probably related to the fifth sentence in the description.
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You ar bidding on a Chriss Reeves Special forces issue Yarborough Knife. The only way to get this knife is to graduate the Special Forces Q course. It is made from one single sheet of metal and by hand.if you have any questions call Tanner at Guns Plus. 910-497-2440. Seller has the right to sell in store at anytime and end auction. If you have any questions please call the store email is hard for me to respond. If inside the state of NC I must collect sales tax.
[Information added 1/24/2013 3:14:51 PM]
Sorry item has been pulled.
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He likes the SF items though.
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You are bidding on Para double stack 1911 comemrative gun. You could only get this gun if you where in the SF unit that ordered it. Has 7th group crest on one side and patch on the other. It is hammerless and double action only.The gun also has night sights. If you have any questions please call Tanner at guns plus tue,wen,fri,sat from 11 to 8 eastern time at 910-497-2440. Seller has the right to sell inside store at anytime. And must collect sales tax if you within NC.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=327107717
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01-26-2013, 11:10
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Originally Posted by sf11b_p
Probably related to the fifth sentence in the description.
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Probably related to you NOT READING what was posted previously...
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As you have noted, this item was put on line for auction. Checking with our internet sales person, I was informed that we received payment this morning for the sale of this knife.
As per the auction contract we are obligated to complete the sale.
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Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
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01-26-2013, 14:33
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Also curious to know who bought the knife. Would like to think is was another SF soldier, maybe an old timer that happened to be in the area and saw it. But probably not. Eventually it will show up on face book, some poser will run his suck and show the knife. God help the x-ray that gets caught with it during a barracks check.
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01-26-2013, 14:48
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This is typical for this store. They personify the gunstore commando image. I was in there one day picking up a transfer when they tried to educate my junior bravo on what pistols SF used in Afghanistan.  . He was a lot more polite than I would have been.
These guys are typical SOF posers btw. They never say they were in but they do a lot of alluding...at least in my past expierence.
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01-27-2013, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
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I read it, but that is not the copy of the item description on the auction page. The reply you received explains they were obligated to sell, the sentence I posted explains they could sell at any time in their store. Both may explain how they may be obligated to sell, without having sold meeting the reserve of the auction.
But I don't have a dog in this hunt, so.
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01-28-2013, 09:07
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I sent the SWC JAG the following email:
I am a member of an online community of active and retired Special Forces personnel. One of the things that keeps coming up is the sale of serial numbered Yarborough knives presented upon graduation of the Special Forces Qualification Course. Recently one was sold by Guns Plus in Spring Lake, even after they were advised that according to SWC policy it could not be sold.
The website I belong to is www.professionalsoldiers.com
The direct link to the discussion about the knife I was referring to is http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...arborough+guns
You might or might not have to use a personal computer to access these links.
Is there anything that can be done about this?
The reply:
Once the knives are issued to personnel, they essentially become their property. We have a policy that prohibits sale, but is really only enforceable against active duty personnel. Once a person leaves the Army or retires, there is no practical way SWCS or USASOC can prevent those to whom a knife was issued from selling it or giving it away. It is essentially a piece of non-accountable equipment issued to each individual that becomes personal property.
USASOC and SWCS have no way to police the commercial or private sale of these knives. Please let me know if you have any questions.
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