Yarborough #4797 for sale

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The "Me" generation.

Not to turn this into too much of a discussion on generational attitudes and the influence of society....but IMHO The "old" attitudes have faded a bit... Things like "Patriotism" and "Esprit de corps" are seen by many as outdated.... but there are still young troops out there that have it.

Hard for them to understand those types of things if their predecessors don't pass along the meaning. It's not in the schools and probably not in most households any longer.

What's that verse....

Men who mean just what they say.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Hard for them to understand those types of things if their predecessors don't pass along the meaning. It's not in the schools and probably not in most households any longer.

Every now & then passing thru the LR when "Pawn Stars" might be on the TV and will see some son or grand-son pawning some 1-only artificact or special thing from their role in a great action, etc. Reason (e.g.): "Well, my daughter graduated college so I want to make a little money & take her out to the casino down the street for a special night out."

Fraggin' jerk-offs. Makes me want to reach through the TV and grab that yokel up by the stackin' swivel.


If my Dad's stuff ever left my position it'll go to the CAF or the museum at Wright-Patt...

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Not to turn this into too much of a discussion on generational attitudes and the influence of society....but IMHO The "old" attitudes have faded a bit... Things like "Patriotism" and "Esprit de corps" are seen by many as outdated.... but there are still young troops out there that have it.

Hard for them to understand those types of things if their predecessors don't pass along the meaning. It's not in the schools and probably not in most households any longer.

What's that verse....

It's like "work ethic". How do you instill that attribute in a kid who's smart enough to see that the Country's being led into socialism, and that nearly half feel entitled to what he's being told he needs to bust butt to earn?

sinjefe's right about the "me" generation; it's turning into the WHOGAS generation, and from the top down.

[CANOPYx3]

I recieved word back from the proponent office about the owner of the knife. Below is the reply.

"this guy had his tab revoked on 4 Nov 11. He lost his Tab and MOS due to GTC misuse, disrespect to an Officer, FTR and reported AWOL several times."

Based on this I can guess that the knife and SF never really meant much to him. Good that he is gone but when they booted him they didn't get the knife back like they should have.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by CANOPYx3

I recieved word back from the proponent office about the owner of the knife. Below is the reply.

"this guy had his tab revoked on 4 Nov 11. He lost his Tab and MOS due to GTC misuse, disrespect to an Officer, FTR and reported AWOL several times."

Based on this I can guess that the knife and SF never really meant much to him. Good that he is gone but when they booted him they didn't get the knife back like they should have.

Get the knife back, snap the blade, and throw it in Drowning Creek.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Dusty

It's like "work ethic". How do you instill that attribute in a kid who's smart enough to see that the Country's being led into socialism, and that nearly half feel entitled to what he's being told he needs to bust butt to earn?

Hard to reconstruct the path...basically it's beating into your children the fact that society is comprised primarily of mindless morons. It's an indoctrination method...and not something that will magically happen...

Yes it takes a village to raise a worthless sloth without moral compass or ethics.

Young people without attributes we see as positive are a result of adults lacking those attributes or unable/unwilling to transfer that attitude.

[chance]

Originally Posted by CANOPYx3

I recieved word back from the proponent office about the owner of the knife. Below is the reply.

"this guy had his tab revoked on 4 Nov 11. He lost his Tab and MOS due to GTC misuse, disrespect to an Officer, FTR and reported AWOL several times."

Based on this I can guess that the knife and SF never really meant much to him. Good that he is gone but when they booted him they didn't get the knife back like they should have.

WOW!!!! I can't believe it, all that hard work thrown down the shitter.

[Eagle5US]

Should have known it was too good to be true. He strung my ass along like a fucking pro and I went for it hook line and sinker.
Start from the bottom, his e-mail and my response:

Martin,

Thank you for your follow-up, though your response is significantly disappointing.
I explained to you in some detail the requirements for retail sale of the knife including documentation of successful completion of the Special Forces Qualification Course as backed by the master database and that the only authorized seller, as stated in the policy letter, is the Special Forces Museum working in conjunction with the Special Warfare Center and School.

Your interpretation of the attached policy letter is quite selective as it clearly states in 8 c
c. Personnel are not authorized to sell the Yarborough Knife
to third parties (e.g., collectors).

We have found out that the individual who owned the knife had his Special Forces Tab revoked in Nov 2011 after being found guilty of:
Misuse of Government Travel Card
Fraud against the US Government
Disrespect to a Commissioned Officer
Failure to Repair
Going AWOL

With regards to the auction, from our monitoring it was pulled off of auction with the bid being at $405 and noted that the reserve had not been met. It may have been listed on more than one site. However, it would seem odd that it was pulled from only the auction that I mentioned unless the intent was to simply placate our request.

I find it very unfortunate that your position would remain. Your representative may have indeed “purchase it in good faith” though this is the third instance we have had in dealing with your store over the past 4 years with regards to a Yarborough blade and each time we furnish a copy of the policy letter, which is then conveniently lost or forgotten about, and the blade is never recovered. Further, despite your purchase, it was purchased from someone who was not authorized to sell the item in the first place.

Undoubtedly the loss of respect from the Special Forces Community would not hurt your store as you are pretty much the only show / range in town and there are plenty of other patrons from the 82nd and Fort Bragg. However, once again, Guns Plus has demonstrated that the power of the almighty dollar supersedes honor and integrity.

Our disappointment is distinctly magnified by the previous assumption of your support with which we were fooled.

Good Day and Good Luck

Joe Klapperich
MAJ
5th SFG(A)

joe.klapperich@us.army.mil
joe.klapperich@ahqb.soc.mil
(xxx)xxx-4172 (o)
(xxx)xxx-9750 (c)

Xxxxxxxx@gmail.com

From: martin mancuso [mailto:martinakm@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:23 PM
To: Klapperich Joseph T MAJ (5SFG)
Subject: RE: Yarborough Policy Letter

Maj Klapperich,


I fully understand the SF community desire to keep these within its ranks.
Looking over the included info there doesn't appear to be any thing legally barring the sale of this item.
It appears that the letter sets the standards for "Retail" sales of the knives to individual.
This item was purchased in good faith, by Guns Plus, with the intent of resale.
As you have noted, this item was put on line for auction. Checking with our internet sales person, I was informed that we
received payment this morning for the sale of this knife.
As per the auction contract we are obligated to complete the sale.

Thank you for your concern in this matter.

Martin Mancuso
Guns Plus, NC

[CANOPYx3]

Could be that its time to go to the post commander and have this business put on the "off limits" list. With a business that relies almost solely on Soldiers I would guess that they may rethink their position. I will check with the chain of command here to see what they think of this. I can't imagine that they will not support a appeal for off limits status to anyone that knowingly sells government equipment.

[Ret10Echo]

Guns Plus of Spring Lake, NC appears to lack integrity and honor.

It is unfortunate that they willingly chose to ignore the request of a the Special Forces community.

Your reputation for a few pieces of silver.

Guns Plus should not receive the business of the Special Operations community.

[Dozer523]

It's a poisoned blade, anyway. Damn shame.
If we got it back the best thing to do would be to send it back to Mr. Harsey and have it melted down and let it start it's life over.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

It's a poisoned blade, anyway. Damn shame.
If we got it back the best thing to do would be to send it back to Mr. Harsey and have it melted down and let it start it's life over.

Bravo!

[Eagle5US]

Originally Posted by CANOPYx3

Could be that its time to go to the post commander and have this business put on the "off limits" list. With a business that relies almost solely on Soldiers I would guess that they may rethink their position. I will check with the chain of command here to see what they think of this. I can't imagine that they will not support a appeal for off limits status to anyone that knowingly sells government equipment.

If you have that ability, I think it is a tremendous idea.

What makes it worse (to me personally) is that he placated me and I took him at his word.

I was foolish in this regard. Reputation for a few pieces of silver indeed.

I see no boundaries for him and his business to reject other .mil goods...things like ACOGs, ELCANs, NODs...even plates and armor. All under the guise of "someone was willing to sell it to us, so we do not have an obligation not to buy it"-

[Barbarian]

What makes it worse (to me personally) is that he placated me and I took him at his word.

I was foolish in this regard.

I don't think you were foolish, at all. I think you did the right thing, giving them the opportunity to prove themselves honorable businessmen.

[koz]

Could CID get involved? They track down all sorts of gear that is sold illegally to pawn shops. Perhaps that would get Gun Plus's attention... Maybe make them turn over the information of the individual who bought it.