01-29-2005, 08:20
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Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Destin, FL
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Oakleys
Hey Guys,
This very subject came up the other day among a few of us 18D's, how important eye pro is! Anyway, if you don't get them issued there is a low cost way of getting Oakley glasses and other products such as boots and gloves. The only catch is that you have to be in the Military or some Government Agency. Contact to follow:
Rosalie Ortiz
Oakley Government Sales
Ph. 800.525.4334
Fax. 800.459.4336
roseoakleygov@hotmail.com
Give her a call and she will email you a pricelist and Statement of Agreement. Hope that helps.
Phil
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08-26-2005, 06:55
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Guerrilla
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: United States
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Polycarb lenses saved my sight also. I was at the range firing "factory reloads" through my Glock 19. I had loaded my mags, put on my eyes and ears, ran my target down range, and commenced firing. On the third round, my weapon blew apart in my hands. A double charge blew the case-head off. The blast went down throught the mag well, blowing the follower, spring, mag base-plate, and remaining 14 rounds out the bottom of the mag well, and into my left hand. The case-head and other brass fragments hit my eye protection directly over my left eye, and embedded in the lens. I set the weapon down, took a quick inventory of my digits, and picked up the mag parts. After re-assembly, the G-19 was fine.
I've spent many years studying (informally) terminal ballistics. On one occasion I was shooting various thicknesses of aluminum with various projectiles. I had set a block of 3'' (three inch) aluminum about the size of a brick 100 meters down range. I fired a nice hot 150gr 300 Win Mag at the aluminum block. The second I fired, the core of the projectile returned and struck me dead-center in the forehead with enough force to knock me on my ass and break the skin. For a second or two, I thought I was seriously wounded, but as no fountain of blood was shooting out of my head, I decided I was OK. The bullet core had landed on my bench, right next to my rifle.
My advice: Never shoot at targets that are harder than your projectiles without full PPE.
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08-26-2005, 08:01
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Asset
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Jersey
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You gotta love Oakley's, been using Oakleys since they started their Rx program, now I'm a shareholder. I had steel fragments me at the 5 meter line and embed in the polycarb lens of my glasses. I have to send them back to Oakley to get overhauled but I can't stand to part with them. The only problem I have had with my Juliets are the rivets that hold the bridge and lens frames together are softer then the titanium frame. Resulting in the rivets wearing out causing the whole frame to loosen. Oakley fixes that for free. Balloons are fun but the sound of steel is nice to listen too.
I took a picture of my screwed up lens but couldn't attach it.
Glad you're okay! Training accidents suck!
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08-26-2005, 14:29
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The only problem I have had with my Juliets are the rivets that hold the bridge and lens frames together are softer then the titanium frame. Resulting in the rivets wearing out causing the whole frame to loosen. Oakley fixes that for free.
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Think of it as a very small shear pin. I'd rather get a rivet replaced for free now and then than have to pay for new frames or earstems that wore out because of on overly hardened rivet.
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08-27-2005, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Have you any of you every used a can of tomato juice placed inside of a silhouette then put t-shirt over the slihouette to conceal the tomato juice. It takes awhile to setup sure, but try it on unsuspecting trainees and see who flinches and who works through the blood effect.
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My friend and I use this technique from time to time, although we use tomatoe sauce. Also when on a lower budget we use milk jugs filled with water and red food dye. Not as gruesome as the tomatoe sauce, and not as bad when you expect it, but still a better trainer than shooting at paper.
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08-31-2005, 09:51
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Asset
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Originally Posted by Razor
Think of it as a very small shear pin. I'd rather get a rivet replaced for free now and then than have to pay for new frames or earstems that wore out because of on overly hardened rivet.
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Absolutely Razor!
Its a great design I just can't stand to part with them, Oakley indicated that the turn around is six to eight weeks. The gloom of winter will be here soon so I'll send them in.
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08-31-2005, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Bendo
Absolutely Razor!
Its a great design I just can't stand to part with them, Oakley indicated that the turn around is six to eight weeks. The gloom of winter will be here soon so I'll send them in.
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If it is practical, if I consider a piece of equipment/tool to be very important, I try to get a spare to hold it into reserve. Maybe buying a second pair would be the answer. Unless your Irish, Both pairs will break about the same time.
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08-31-2005, 14:35
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Two is one, and one is none.
Anything important needs to have a spare or three.
PACE.
TR
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09-02-2005, 08:46
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Speaking of interesting targets...try this one:
Find an area devoid of flammable material in a radius of at least 50 meters.
Fill a clear gallon milk jug with gasoline. It must be brimming full.
Light the top on fire. It will burn like a candle.
Run at least 25 meters away from the target.
Using the highest velocity rifle cartridges you can get your hands on, shoot the jug about two inces from the bottom. I have found Reminton Accelerator rounds in 30.06 to be especially effective. Don't know if you can get them any more. These fire a .223 caliber sabotted projectile at 4080fps. You need at least 3800fps and a soft jacketed bullet to acheive the full effect.
The gallon of gas will vaporize instantaneously, and the resulting fireball will rise about fifty to a hundred feet into the air, looking like a mushroom cloud.
It's an interesting break from shooting at thin planes of reformed tree fibers.
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“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill
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09-02-2005, 20:38
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Guys:
I have had parts of M-118 Special Ball hit me after hitting steel targets at 200 to 300 yards distance. One was almost the entire bullet and it smacked me on the leg.
I have also had .45 ACP literally bounce off of bowling pins at ten yards and come right back and hit me. The .45 I saw coming back but it was a bit faster than me moving. I have seen issued 9mm bounce off of auto poppers at thirty yards and fly well behind the firing line. I have tried angling steel to no effect.
I use the Oakley set that is a RFI item for units deploying. Three lenses that are easy to interchange. Problem with these and other eye pro is they will fog up when it is cold and damp out and you are sweating. These Oaklies seem to fit better than the Wiley X but both fog up no matter what you smear on the lenses.
Everything I get back from Iraq is that the eye pro are true eye savers and the brigde I am associated with swears by the Oakley type. $300.00 a set is what they apparently cost.
I am not an advocate of balloons when I can use steel but my steel is always a good distance away from the shooter and he is wearing eye pro, body armor, and the coveted kevlar hemmett. I would prefer frangiable but the Army isn't about to buy it for the conventional side so I have to use ball and thus have to deal with additional risk when using steel.
I tried balloons a couple of times but my training involves distance and I needed two Joes to blow up balloons while two others were busy following us through our course of fire with garbage bags full of balloons, trying to attach them to the cardboard targets I also use. Try that when it is 40 degrees, heavy rain, and a 10 MPH wind sometime. I stopped using balloons and rely on cardboard targets where we can quickly get to them to see results, and steel targets at ranges of 100 yards plus.
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09-03-2005, 18:52
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Asset
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Originally Posted by VelociMorte
Speaking of interesting targets...try this one:
Find an area devoid of flammable material in a radius of at least 50 meters.
Fill a clear gallon milk jug with gasoline. It must be brimming full.
Light the top on fire. It will burn like a candle.
Run at least 25 meters away from the target.
Using the highest velocity rifle cartridges you can get your hands on, shoot the jug about two inces from the bottom. I have found Reminton Accelerator rounds in 30.06 to be especially effective. Don't know if you can get them any more. These fire a .223 caliber sabotted projectile at 4080fps. You need at least 3800fps and a soft jacketed bullet to acheive the full effect.
The gallon of gas will vaporize instantaneously, and the resulting fireball will rise about fifty to a hundred feet into the air, looking like a mushroom cloud.
It's an interesting break from shooting at thin planes of reformed tree fibers.
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With the price of gas nowadays? Nooooo thank you! haha  
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09-07-2005, 11:26
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I would love to have another pair $300 for one was hard enough on an honest cops wage! Good point though.
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09-10-2005, 16:52
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Shooting steel or any direct feedback targets beats paper any day. Just remember don't shoot steel closer then 7 Meters.
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09-25-2005, 23:46
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by VelociMorte
Speaking of interesting targets...try this one:
Find an area devoid of flammable material in a radius of at least 50 meters.
Fill a clear gallon milk jug with gasoline. It must be brimming full.
Light the top on fire. It will burn like a candle.
Run at least 25 meters away from the target.
Using the highest velocity rifle cartridges you can get your hands on, shoot the jug about two inces from the bottom. I have found Reminton Accelerator rounds in 30.06 to be especially effective. Don't know if you can get them any more. These fire a .223 caliber sabotted projectile at 4080fps. You need at least 3800fps and a soft jacketed bullet to acheive the full effect.
The gallon of gas will vaporize instantaneously, and the resulting fireball will rise about fifty to a hundred feet into the air, looking like a mushroom cloud.
It's an interesting break from shooting at thin planes of reformed tree fibers.
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LMAO!!! Gonna give that a try when I get bk to TX!
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09-26-2005, 06:02
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Solve the main problem and the rest falls into place.
Check out "Speer RHT Ammunition". It is good stuff for indoor steel plate trgts.
I'm a big fan of the Rx Oakleys. Been using mine for a year and a half out here. They cost big $$$$, but were more than worth it.
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