02-11-2005, 12:18
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So is he a genius or an idiot????
Inquiring minds, etc.
Toby
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03-01-2005, 13:08
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talk about cliff hangers.
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03-01-2005, 13:23
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Originally Posted by mffjm8509
Intel is only half of the issue. Intel is bottom driven. Targeting is easy based on internally devleoped information. There are plenty of "good" local nationals that are willing to come and give us actionable information for the better of thier communities. Getting "big army" to commit to prosecuting these targets is another thing, or even worse is getting them to process them through the detention system.
It is an odd operational environment, and one we dont train guys to operate in at the school house. We are fighting an unconventional war, within a conventional commanders battlespace. That means, that we as USSF can NOT prosecute our own targets without the blessing of local TF and Brigade Commanders.
That is our daily challenge.
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Let me ask what may be an extremely stupid question.
Would anyone support withdrawing a good portion of the conventional troops and leaving Iraq to SOF with whatever air support they need? You know, more of the Afghanistan plan? Or do we just need the conventional troops to be subordinate to and supportive of SOF rather than in control?
And please feel free to rephrase my question for me if it can be salvaged.
Last edited by Roguish Lawyer; 03-01-2005 at 13:34.
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03-01-2005, 17:50
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We need to get their troops trained, the new government installed and get the hell out of Dodge. Hadji voted, time to move on.
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03-01-2005, 18:10
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Escalations and C&C
BAGHDAD, Iraq -- More than 2,000 people demonstrated Tuesday at the site of a car bombing south of Baghdad that killed 125 people, chanting "No to terrorism!"
An Internet statement purportedly by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq group claimed responsibility the bombing.
Atleast the people are starting to protest!!
BMT
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03-01-2005, 18:19
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Several nations offered to train Iraqi in their own countries. The POTUS flat refused and I'm not sure that was a wise decision. Occasionally he lets his tunnel vision and hard head over ride reason. While I was in Germany we always had foreign troops in Lenggries for training. We trained a cadre and then accompanied them back to their home countries to continue training their troops. The same was true in Panama. That is what the School of the Americas in Ft. Gulick was all about. Unfortunately the lefties decided we were training terrorists and insurgents rather than troops to defend their countries against such terrorists and insurgencies. I would imagine similar courses were conducted on Oki.
The program was effective. We pulled troops out of their homeland to train in safety and even get a tast od "the better life'. I understand there are still loyal ex-US trained troops in Iran. We trained the NCOs and Officers. Then we accompanied them back to their homelands to train the troops.
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03-01-2005, 18:34
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=542599
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HILLAH, Iraq Mar 1, 2005 — Thousands of mostly black-clad Iraqis protested Tuesday outside a medical clinic where a suicide car bomber killed 125 people a day earlier, braving the threat of another attack as they waved clenched fists, condemned foreign fighters and chanted "No to terrorism!"
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He knows only The Cause.
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