02-12-2018, 09:40
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So what mental issues that veterans have could qualify? Anything? Trooper snuffy goes through a divorce so his CO sends him to counseling to cover his ass and bam on the list. What about PTSD? How severe does he have to have it? Remember they found the Melfiquin caused brain damage to a lot of people and mimics PTSD. What about a trooper that was caught in an IED and his bell was rung so he was a little off for a couple weeks? Where do we draw the line?
Why can a senior that can not take care of themselves have a gun? Granted some should not but what if it is a physical problem not a mental one but a physical one? Where is the line drawn? I believe the law already states anyone mentally defective can not buy a firearm. also do you think anyone that is mentally adjudicated due to dementia would be able to fill out the form to begin with? Have you ever worked with someone like that? They can not fill out the form, kind of a check onto its self.
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Just because a line has been drawn poorly in the past, does not mean that no line should be drawn.
Sure there are many vets with mental issues who are perfectly safe to own firearms. But there are many who are not. At least 20 per day, according to the statistics.
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What would expanding the data base do? It missed the last asshole that should have been on there. Do you think it will stop any crimes at all...
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So because one person slipped through the system, your solution is to not improve the database and continue to allow prohibited persons to slip through? I'm not following the logic here....
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02-12-2018, 09:50
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...are we letting these "mentally impaired" people vote?
Why?
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02-12-2018, 10:04
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...are we letting these "mentally impaired" people vote?
Why?
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Yes, they are called "Democrats". 
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02-12-2018, 11:36
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We already have a system in place that this guy slipped through. By the rules today and for many years he should not have had a firearm. Fix the current system, making more rules will not fix it but potentially cause more problems.
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So you think this is a zero-sum game, we can "either" fix the current system "or" make our rules better?
I disagree. We can BOTH fix the current system, and then, as a society of laws, we can make the current system better if (as a society) we agree that other classes of people should not be eligible to own a weapon.
Or are you saying that you are OK with a person with poorly controlled paranoid schizophrenia buying firearms?
I think we all can agree (please tell me if I'm wrong) that a person whose "mental health issues" means mild PTSD or well-controlled depression can own weapons. Just like I think we all can agree that the guy who thinks police officers are evil aliens coming to abduct him should NOT have them. I agree, drawing the line between those two may sometimes be difficult, but that is not a reason to give up and not draw the line at all.
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02-12-2018, 13:46
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Why are we only concerned about our 2d amendment rights?
Shouldn’t concerns about mental health be applied to the entire Bill of Rights? There is more to the Bill of Rights than just the 2d amendment; abridging someone’s constitutional liberties should not be done in a vacuum. If we are willing to take away freedoms specifically addressed in the bill of rights, why are we still letting crazy people vote? Why are dangerous crazy people given any liberties at all? Crazy people should be subject to a different set of laws than the rest of us. There are some people that have clearly lost their minds, yet they have the unabridged freedom to stir up the masses.
I agree that there are many controversial people out there with mental health problems that don't talk crazy and they may not ALL pose a threat, but there are a lot that can't be trusted to speak in public without causing trouble and we can’t afford to let the really crazy ones slip through the crack. If that means that there are innocent crazy people being deprived of some rights so that the rest of us can be safe from the dangerous crazy people, so be it.
The 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments remove prohibitions on voting rights based on race, color, sex, and age; there is nothing that says we can't keep crazy people from voting.
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02-12-2018, 16:24
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Why are we only concerned about our 2d amendment rights?
Shouldn’t concerns about mental health be applied to the entire Bill of Rights? There is more to the Bill of Rights than just the 2d amendment; abridging someone’s constitutional liberties should not be done in a vacuum. If we are willing to take away freedoms specifically addressed in the bill of rights, why are we still letting crazy people vote? Why are dangerous crazy people given any liberties at all? Crazy people should be subject to a different set of laws than the rest of us. There are some people that have clearly lost their minds, yet they have the unabridged freedom to stir up the masses.
I agree that there are many controversial people out there with mental health problems that don't talk crazy and they may not ALL pose a threat, but there are a lot that can't be trusted to speak in public without causing trouble and we can’t afford to let the really crazy ones slip through the crack. If that means that there are innocent crazy people being deprived of some rights so that the rest of us can be safe from the dangerous crazy people, so be it.
The 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments remove prohibitions on voting rights based on race, color, sex, and age; there is nothing that says we can't keep crazy people from voting.
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This sounds oddly familiar..............
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02-19-2018, 11:22
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Total US Firearms: Not 300 Million, but 412-660 Million?
Is the number really 300 million guns? Or much much more?
http://weaponsman.com/?p=33875
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02-20-2018, 07:26
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Kevin (RIP) gave an admirable crack at it; one of his commenters also provided an additional link on the topic. FL has resurrected their own version of the AWB in the wake of Parkland, and the functional head of ATF is still in the Swamp; the same guy who was head of the Phoenix Field Division (remember them?) & picked to be Deputy Director & was advocating a national gun registry to Candidate Clinton last election. When it comes down to it, does the exact number really matter?
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02-20-2018, 08:00
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When it comes down to it, does the exact number really matter?
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No it doesn't matter. I just thought it was interesting that you hear the 300 million number thrown around by both sides, and it most likely isn't even close to the actual number of firearms in the hands of American citizens.
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02-20-2018, 13:27
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... and it most likely isn't even close to the actual number of firearms in the hands of American citizens.
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Roger that. Whenever some hand-wringer throws that number just mention "and that's just the ones you know about."
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