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[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

Yes, that is how one group of charlatans got theirs to work. They put out sensors down range and read the winds at 200 meter intervals. Take care with things that send out signals though, they are like tracers, you can read them both ways.

There needs to be a device that the spotter can use to read winds ACCURATELY at all ranges. This is critical at the longer ranges, 800 and beyond. I hate to place a bunch of stuff in the shooters scope as it can become a distraction while shooting, especially if the winds are varible and he is trying to make shifts to compensate. A spotter can watch the wind changes and have the sniper fire on a change he is holding. One device was set up in quarter moa increments and that sucker was a constant buzz of movement. Told them to use quarter mil shifts and the observer can interrupte from there. I know some want the shooter to do all the work, but that is not a good way of doing business when he has to settle down to make the shot. Again I know, there will be the "I can do it", great, but most cannot and we need to set up for the most.

My 2 cents

Okay my second "shot"

A ground based Doppler radar system/wind profiler/SODAR on each FOB/base/area that reads winds shoots the info to a sat transmitter and ground based sniper team has a device that picks up the feed they can put in their location, and the gun gives the direction of aim and the computer calculated windage using the downloaded real time wind velocities. For the sniper end it would be passive as they only receive the info from a SAT.

Sounds expensive no doubt. This system could also be transmitted to pilots for wx reports and field units for storms and such.

As far as in the scope objects. I was thinking that the spotter scope and sniper scope could be "coupled" where when the spotter or sniper see something they can mark it in their scope and the other can see it in theirs. Like an instant talk-on. You could mark reference points that would show up when they came in view and even mark other targets for follow-on shots. If its too cluttered in the scope have a kill switch that turns it all off for your shot.

Just laying out some thoughts. It got me thinking.

[longrange1947]

Originally Posted by miclo18d

Okay my second "shot"

A ground based Doppler radar system/wind profiler/SODAR on each FOB/base/area that reads winds shoots the info to a sat transmitter and ground based sniper team has a device that picks up the feed they can put in their location, and the gun gives the direction of aim and the computer calculated windage using the downloaded real time wind velocities. For the sniper end it would be passive as they only receive the info from a SAT.

Sounds expensive no doubt. This system could also be transmitted to pilots for wx reports and field units for storms and such.

As far as in the scope objects. I was thinking that the spotter scope and sniper scope could be "coupled" where when the spotter or sniper see something they can mark it in their scope and the other can see it in theirs. Like an instant talk-on. You could mark reference points that would show up when they came in view and even mark other targets for follow-on shots. If its too cluttered in the scope have a kill switch that turns it all off for your shot.

Just laying out some thoughts. It got me thinking.

The radar would do no good for a distant sniper FFP. The wind can be radically different in just 800 meters, and even shorter in an urban and mountain environment. While it could work on a FOB environment, the warming created by the radar would be a learned warning that someone is being targeted.

[MK262MOD1]

Nothing can currently beat reading the winds with a mk1mod0 eyeball. Instead of paying for systems that can't accurately read micro weather and wind changes, buy some ammo go to the range, learn the weapon and its hold offs.

[JJ_BPK]

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[(1VB)compforce]

I would think that a spotting scope that would read the mirage and accurately model the flight of the round would be more effective than playing around on the weapon system itself. Let the shooter focus on holds or scope adjustments normally, but make the spotter the deadly accurate one. Most trained shooters can hit a man-sized sillhouette at 1000 yards IF they get a good call from the spotter (and winds don't gust during the shot or call) and they have the time to settle.

The spotting scope could use the same technology as a camera's autofocus to read the mirage. Start at 0 and bring the focus out slowly (for a computer) reading the mirage every 10 yards or so. Read the "motion" in the image to determine wind speed (the same way a person does). Just do it multiple times that would take too long for a human. Stop when the target is in focus. Throw out any statistical outliers that might be caused by a person or animal moving around. With a software package or module loaded via USB, with ammo, weapon and scope metrics, it could then call the adjustments for the shooter output on the reticle of the spotting scope. "small ball, 12U 4R/hold 1R" The spotter then gets a good call and the shooter can focus on shooting rather than reading the output. Of course there are other things that would come into play such as gusting winds that would require a longer calibration. There's also the question of moving targets and such.

A spotting scope like that would deal with midrange wind changes like valley shooting and remove human error from things like incorrect elevation or math. It would also be able (with a few additional sensors) of dealing with humidity and weather variables. The down side is it would be basically useless in the rain.

My thought has always been that the spotter is the one that makes the shot when paired with a shooter that knows how to shoot. That's where I'd focus on making it more efficient.

Just a pre-caffeine thought...

[(1VB)compforce]

Originally Posted by longrange1947

Second problem mentioned by DocIllinois, I squeeze the trigger I expect things to happen. When lock time goes up so does the rate of shooter error.

How is that different from two stage triggers like in the M-21 system? We were taught (in the 80's) to generally get on target, pull the first stage, hold and correct/finalize aim then pull for the shot. Do you only consider the second stage "lock time"? Is that why they went to a single stage trigger in the M24 and variants?

Not a smart-ass question, I'm curious about how your statement applies to the way I was taught.

[Guymullins]

If I wanted to kill someone at such extreme ranges, my first choice would be a letter bomb. If I wanted to kill animals at such distances I would consider poisoning the waterhole.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Guymullins

If I wanted to kill someone at such extreme ranges, my first choice would be a letter bomb. If I wanted to kill animals at such distances I would consider poisoning the waterhole.

Guy
You're just a softy..

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by perdurabo

As far as I can tell from the TrackingPoint (manufacturer) website, this thing is wholly marketed to civilians. They don't seem to be set up for government sales at all, at this time. Uses electronics components that would get torn up in the field. Nothing says the technology won't later be adopted for professional use, of course. But not in this iteration.

Seems like another entry in the "civilian operator" market. And if I hear another corny civilian use sniper lingo like "send it", I'm going to scream.

Seems they're moving to gov sales, which makes sense if your product costs $15000 and up each.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKldy2YNAHk

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I remember it took Horus reticle a while for folks to warm up to.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by frostfire

Seems they're moving to gov sales, which makes sense if your product costs $15000 and up each.

If the U.S. Army testing of TrackingPoint 338LM, Yuma Proving Grounds, 29 October 2014 is accurate, this just might be the next game changer. Heck, now Call of Duty "veterans" can become effective leadslingers instantly with zero hour in BRM. Imagine the savings!

LOL, yeah, this is the US military where it takes decades to approve anything, especially if it's extremely lethal......