Win 308 vs Win 7mm - Page 2

SF_BHT · 01-11-2015, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Dusty

You've got and have had plenty of .308's. Might be time to max out another round...

This is why I am torn by what round to go with....... Decisions decisions.......

Glad to see you back

Going over ballistic charts now to get more data.

Javadrinker · 01-11-2015, 11:25

I'll throw in the 270. Probably going to be on the shelves of most stores, and the ballistics are not that much different than the 7mm Mag.

**Peregrino** · 01-11-2015, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Javadrinker

I'll throw in the 270. Probably going to be on the shelves of most stores, and the ballistics are not that much different than the 7mm Mag.

Allow me to "amplify" your statement: "A reloader, given competent load development with appropriate bullet selection and some of the newer powders, can achieve ballistic performance comparable to lighter magnum loads". Same thing is very possible comparing 30-06 and 300WM. Since its introduction the parent 30-06 case has lent itself to a number of versatile rounds.

Dusty · 01-11-2015, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

Allow me to "amplify" your statement: "A reloader, given competent load development with appropriate bullet selection and some of the newer powders, can achieve ballistic performance comparable to lighter magnum loads". Same thing is very possible comparing 30-06 and 300WM. Since its introduction the parent 30-06 case has lent itself to a number of versatile rounds.

IMO, the -06 is the best all-around rifle bullet for this continent up to about 600 yards, but I like 180's.

To hunt mountain goats, though, I'd use .300 win mag; I'd think opportunities for shots at 1000 or greater would be fairly common, with elevation and wind problems being de rigeur...

**Peregrino** · 01-11-2015, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Let me help you decision. The right decision is to buy one of each.

LMAO! That's the first thing you've posted lately that I can unequivocally agree with.

MR2 · 01-11-2015, 15:18

LOL +2

Rob_Frey · 01-11-2015, 17:57

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Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Sorry for the confusion. The Mod 70 comes in 7mm-08 Rem

Here is the gun. http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...218&mid=535203

Everyone are bringing up good points. The cost of ammo is not going to be a factor but availabity is if we ge into a shortage again of ammo.

I like the long range specs and match specs for the 7mm-08
But the 308 is what all of my other long guns have. I got rid of my all but 1 9mm pistol in the quest to reduce my requirement to have multi types of ammo.

Looking at elk and goats from 300-500 meters.

TR good points on what rounds will be on the shelf out in the country side. Had not thought of that yet. The 30-06 and 308 are looking better from that aspect.

Keep the comments coming they are knocking out the cobwebs and getting me to think about other aspects...

The 7mm-08 is a good cartridge, I personally hunt with a .260 Rem., which is the 7mm-08 (.284") necked down to .264" diameter.

In looking at the list of cartridges the Model 70 Super Grade is available in, I would choose 300 WSM. But that's just me.

If you want something in 7mm, go with the 7mm Rem. Mag., you can find that all over too. Gives you better long range capability too.

Badger52 · 01-11-2015, 19:32

Have had, and handloaded for, this round for quite awhile. It's incredibly easy to get consistent accuracy out of, with a variety of powders. Most 7-08 chambers are a little short so, although there are bigger .284 bullet weights, typically 150gr is about your limit while keeping the velocity up unless you have a long-action magazine box and can open things up in the barrel a touch. My favorite all-around (and not spendy) bullet is Hornady's simple 139gr boat-tail, same bullet used by the old Western cartridge company way back, like eons ago in their 7x57 ammo. Even till recently I've found boxes of those very consistent in weight throughout many boxes. If not, a 140gr Ballistic Tip performs wonderfully. My powder of choice is Win 760, but YMMV.

For some more velocity you can do the 120gr Ballistic Tip as well. That particular 120 is not just for varmints. I talked to Nosler a few years ago and, because hot-rodders were loading to disintegration-velocity in their blasters, they stiffened up that bullet and it makes a very fine "across the field" deer round. My MV's are down about 175fps from published due to the 20" bbl on my 'meat' gun but for white-tails it's not noticeable. From a M-70 you should have no problem getting good velocity out of your loads; the accuracy will take care of itself if you do your part. A great choice & for most 'sporting' purposes would take it over a .308 hands-down. Very pleasant to shoot as well if there are younger ones that might use it.

All that said, there is no way it's going to compete with any of the 7mm mags in terms of real long-distance work, in a rifle of practical size. It was designed as a modern replacement with 7x57 ballistics to avoid "hotting up" a 7x57 (great round) and having someone stick it in their beat up 19th century gun and then stick gun-makers with lawsuits.

In a mag nowadays I'd probably go with the WSM, but that's just my dislike of belted cases, unnecessary in most rounds.

Shopping for a new rifle; what a neat dilemma!

mark46th · 01-13-2015, 15:12

I have a Model 70 in .270 Win. I use it on hogs with 140 gr bullets. Kill's 'em dead . I reload the 140gr but I also use 130 Rem Corelokt for antelope, also dead right now. The ammo is available anywhere, inexpensive and very accurate.

doctom54 · 01-13-2015, 17:57

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Originally Posted by mark46th

I have a Model 70 in .270 Win. I use it on hogs with 140 gr bullets. Kill's 'em dead . I reload the 140gr but I also use 130 Rem Corelokt for antelope, also dead right now. The ammo is available anywhere, inexpensive and very accurate.

I concur on the .270 as an excellent choice

Well in the .308 group I've got a .243, .260, .308 and a .338 federal.
In the 30-06 group I have a .270, several 30-06s and a .35 Whelen.

For the past 3 years I've only used the .270 for hogs, deer and coyotes.
(I'm using the federal 130 gr Fusion since all my reloading stuff has been in storage)

During the past two times there were ammo shortages .270 could be found almost anywhere.

Badger52 · 01-13-2015, 20:21

Re-reading, if you're looking at elk at that distance you really do want to be throwing a .284 of 160gr or so, or a .308 180gr - of stout bullet construction. Both of those can be had with great BC's & outstanding ballistics. Otherwise it's into 300WSM territory (again my prejudice against belted cases) and they do bark notably more if that's a concern but they can sure reach out there. Judicious handloading will get a 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06 there no problem. Also, from lots of rounds out of the barrel on both of these (my heart is with a 30-06) both those calibers have some really good factory loads available that do what they say & still yield a couple thou in energy out at 300 where it matters. (Hornady's 162gr 7mm RM load is superb & consistent.)

IMO the .270 is a wonderful cartridge but only if handloaded. During a period owning a lovely M70 Featherweight I did quite a bit of chrono work and collected once-fired brass the old-fashioned way, as well as a binder full of data. Wonderful as it is, in most factory loadings, the .270 is one of the most over-rated rounds from its published ballistic figures in a hunting size rifle whose data ever got published (many decades ago). Just my $.02 but based on actually shooting it, alot.