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Old 09-22-2013, 10:08   #1276
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Where's he gonna run into me at...the mosque?
The WalMarts maybe? According to MR2 you've been hanging out there and causing a lot of mischief lately.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:10   #1277
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The WalMarts maybe? According to MR2 you've been hanging out there and causing a lot of mischief lately.
lol "the Walmarts"?

Spoken like a true devotee, Bro.
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Old 09-23-2013, 02:44   #1278
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The entire German view of Islam:

But doesn't that contradict 3-24 which implies the will of the majority is all you need? And that being mean to people naturally builds self-destructive antibodies?
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:23   #1279
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disappointing

I had hoped that he would put up some kind of counter argument, I enjoy debating these types. To come on and whine like a little girl and then run away is just pathetic. Maybe push-ups or pull-ups or whatever the hell he was saying is the wrong direction for him, maybe kegel exercises would be better (yes, that's spelled right, had to look it up).
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:45   #1280
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Talking CAIR gets a new name

I wasn't sure whether I should post this here or in The Comedy Zone, but here goes:

It seems like CAIR (the Council on American Islamic Relations), who was actually an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial - translated: "in bed" with both the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas - is in pretty hot water for money laundering the millions of dollars they get from oil-rich Gulf Arabs.

That in itself is a long story:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/09/ha...ington-dc.html

But apparently CAIR is now changing its name to the "Washington Trust Foundation, Inc." Yep, that's right. Their new acronym is going to be "WTF". Humorous, and somehow so very appropriate!

WTF's Incorporation documents can be found here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/169514273/...of-6-18-13-OCR
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:05   #1281
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Awesome

That's awesome. I'd like to think that they are dealing with an insurgency within their organization but I'm sure this is self inflicted.
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:58   #1282
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LMAOROF - WTF? Hilarious
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Old 09-25-2013, 18:22   #1283
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ha...
WTF can STFU
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Old 09-25-2013, 19:11   #1284
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I don't think the average American is going to find the words "Washington" and "Trust" to belong in the same title, unless it is a bank, and maybe not even then.

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Old 09-26-2013, 15:47   #1285
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New post from Claire Lopez

DoJ Slams FBI for Ties with CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood)

by Clare M. Lopez
The Clarion Project
September 22, 2013
http://lopez.pundicity.com/13801/fbi...im-brotherhood

It's been a tough week for the Muslim Brotherhood in America. First came the plaintive wail of "Legislating Fear: Islamophobia and Its Impact in the United States," a 162-page hit list from the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) documenting groups and individuals it really wishes wouldn't be quite so effective at pointing out how the doctrine and sacred texts of Islam form the legal basis for Islamic terrorism.

The report's introductory letter from CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad leads off with a dismayed acknowledgement of the dramatic success of the American Laws for American Courts (ALAC) initiative, which has seen six state legislatures – Arizona, Kansas, South Dakota, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Louisiana – pass bills designed to "protect American citizens' constitutional rights against the infiltration and incursion of foreign laws and foreign legal doctrines, especially Islamic Shariah Law."

That CAIR even needed 162 pages to get through the impressive cadre of media outfits, non-profit organizations (among them the Clarion Project), publications, think tanks and their donors, is testament to the vibrancy of the counterjihad movement that strikes such foreboding into the U.S. Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) establishment.

Then the next shoe dropped. On September 19, the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General released its "Review of FBI Interactions with the Council on American-Islamic Relations." The report is sharply critical of the way the FBI implemented and managed its 2008 policy on curtailing contact with CAIR in the wake of overwhelming evidence about CAIR's ties with HAMAS (the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch) which had been documented presented in 2007-2008 Holy Land Foundation (HLF) HAMAS terror funding trial.

CAIR was named by the Justice Department as an unindicted co-conspirator in the case. The FBI report demonstrated that, contrary to subsequent FBI policy which stipulated that non-investigative interactions between the FBI and CAIR be significantly restricted, a number of FBI field offices (specifically the ones in New Haven, Connecticut; Chicago, Illinois; and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) failed to obey this directive and continued to engage in contact with CAIR.

The DoJ report additionally critiques FBI Headquarters for failing to provide its field offices with clear and consistent guidance, as well as appropriate oversight.

The same day as the DoJ report was released, Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA), the influential Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee's Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies (responsible for the FBI's budget) fired off a sharply-worded letter to FBI Director James Comey, citing both conflicting guidance coming from the FBI's Office of Public Affairs (with its emphasis on Muslim "outreach") as well as "outright violations from several field offices."

Wolf singled out the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in the FBI's Los Angeles field office for his blatantly "insubordinate behavior," described in the report as actually instructing his subordinates "not to abide" by FBI Headquarters policy regarding contact with CAIR.

Moreover, as Wolf notes, given that the DoJ report focuses on only five incidents of continuing FBI field office contact with CAIR, there is no way to know whether, in fact, this is but the tip of an iceberg of policy violations inside the FBI. Wolf's letter to Director Comey concludes with his expectation that people be fired.

Ikhwan scholar Shamim Siddiqi warned that there would be challenges to the process of dawa (proselytizing). Writing of the Muslim Brotherhood's "settlement process" in his 1989 monograph, "The Methodology of Dawah," Siddiqi noted that early gains did not mean "smooth sailing" would last: "In this initial stage there may not be any opposition to Dawah work. For some time the Islamic Movement of America may have some smooth sailing. But with the increase in Dawah efforts, in the number of activities and growth of the strength of the organization, the anti-Islamic forces will take notice of the multifarious activities of the Movement … the fight … may become a challenge for them … [a]larming signals will be raised by the so-called 'free press.'"

The Brotherhood attempts to counter these "anti-Islamic forces" and America's "free press" with a strategy of information dominance, as I described in a recent essay, History of the Muslim Brotherhood Penetration of the U.S. Government.

A key element used to achieve information dominance—that is, to control the official understanding of Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood—is the penetration into U.S. government intelligence and security agencies, such as the FBI.

Such tactics are straight out of the field manual on classic intelligence and counterintelligence tradecraft, but they are not only aimed at accessing sensitive information. Rather, such penetration is conducted for the purpose of exerting influence by inserting practiced, smooth-talking Ikhwan operatives into trusted advisory positions close to FBI and other national security leadership.

Indeed, that strategy has made startling progress (to the great detriment of U.S. national security), by significantly altering U.S. domestic (and foreign) policy on Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood.

As documented in Patrick Poole's masterful June 2013 overview of U.S. "outreach" policy toward the Muslim Brotherhood, Blind to Terror: The U.S. Government's Disastrous Muslim Outreach Efforts and the Impact on U.S. Middle East Policy, that "outreach" really goes in one direction only: From the Muslim community to the FBI, in order to communicate what the Muslim community wishes to tell the U.S. intelligence community, but never to be influenced or depended upon for genuine assistance in combating Islamic terrorism.

The only way for the FBI and the rest of the U.S. Intelligence Community to develop an accurate knowledge about CAIR, HAMAS, the Muslim Brotherhood and the jihadist ideology they all share is to expand and enforce the FBI's policy of official distancing itself from CAIR.

Cutting off contact with CAIR, however, but continuing to conduct "outreach" on a regular basis with its fellow HLF case co-conspirators like ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) still leaves the FBI exposed to Ikhwan da'wa, especially in the absence of all the curriculum material and subject matter experts about Islam that have been purged and blacklisted from DoJ and other government training courses since 2012 under Brotherhood supervision.

And while they're at it, reversing the absurdity set forth in the FBI's "Touchstone" document would mark another step in the direction of a sane policy vis-à-vis the Brotherhood. The "Touchstone" document says that membership in an organization—like an Islamic terror group—that engages in violence mustn't be taken as evidence of agreement with that violence, if the group also is engaged in some legitimate advocacy activity.

One week of rough sailing for the American Ikhwan is a good start, but there's a long way to go to reverse the FBI and overall U.S. official culture of dependency on all the wrong sources.

Engaging in the war of ideas requires first studying the enemy's ideas, not purging them from all consideration. Enemy jihadis whose terrorist-supporting activities, ideology and identities have been exposed in a court of law can never be suitable "outreach" partners for law enforcement agencies—especially agencies like the FBI that have been duped and penetrated for far too long by their Ikhwan comrades.

For an alternative list of potential partners that won't lead them down a dawa detour, the FBI would do well to check out the new CAIR report.
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Old 09-29-2013, 19:28   #1286
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On the trail of al-Shabab’s Kenyan recruitment 'pipeline'

On the trail of al-Shabab’s Kenyan recruitment 'pipeline'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-24263357

"The armed siege at the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi has focused attention on the al-Qaeda affiliate, al-Shabab. When the attack happened, the BBC's Panorama programme had been investigating the recruitment pipeline of young Muslims through Kenya to join the Islamist group in Somalia.

I meet Makaburi in a fly-infested room not much bigger than a cupboard, in Mombasa, eastern Kenya......"

Now this is what the cleric says "..."There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. The prophets did not teach us moderation in Islam - Islam is Islam," he said.

"Being a moderate Muslim is accepting what your enemies want you to be."...."

Look at how the reporter frames the cleric's words"..Makaburi makes no apology for his activities and believes they are justified according to his own controversial interpretation of verses in the Koran...."

The story does a fairly good job on detailing the amount of help that is given to the jihad by local Muslims.
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Old 09-29-2013, 20:07   #1287
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Considering that the the FBI falls under the DOJ umbrella that sounds like a bunch of good cop, bad cop, Eric Holder needs to find a fall guy mumbo jumbo.

Crazy people like Michelle Bachman, Steve Emerson, Daniel Pipes and Naiomi Wolfe have been beating this drum for a long time.

And it appears not to be just the FBI:

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Yet despite all this, Elibiary still got his appointment to the DHS Advisory Council, and has now been promoted. Mohamed Elibiary has risen as far as he has without ever being properly vetted because government and law enforcement officials, and the media, are so avid to find a moderate Muslim who will stand against Islamic jihad terrorism that they will accept virtually anyone’s claim to be just that, no questions asked.

And Dalia Mogahed is a shill for Sharia. Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs appeared on a British television show aired by the pro-Sharia group Hizb ut-Tahrir in 2009, where she said: “Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood.” How have we misunderstood Islamic law? We have associated it with “maximum criminal punishments” and “laws that… to many people seem unequal to women.” The Western view of Sharia was “oversimplified,” said Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs; most Muslim women worldwide, she said, associate it with “gender justice.”
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:17   #1288
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Didn’t think you guys would have missed me, anyway contrary to belief I was not at the local salon crying away my problems to my hairdresser. I wasn’t complaining about PT. I idolized you guys and when I read some posts on how all Muslims are Un -American and bad I got a little emotional and I wrote something on the fly. I take full responsibility for that but again I was not whining about some little PT. I diverge, from the topic. I’m an AMERICAN. An AMERICAN who happens to be Muslim. If you don’t like it, that’s your right as an American. I don’t believe in sharia law. I believe in the constitution. I also believe In the Quran. However will I go and commit treason for that fact. HELL NO. Will I go and stop supporting our troops and bill of rights for sharia. HELL NO. Will I go and kill innocent people for Sharia law. HELL to the NO. The fact is that about 1 billion people are Muslim. Yet very very small percentage commits terror. But they are the over whelming majority of the “voice”. For now they represent Islam Until true Muslims must take a very large stand in demonizing these savages, actively supporting wounded warrior and 9/11 charities (etc. , and turn the Taliban into the Westbrook Baptist church. In the sense that no one cares about the WB church because they don’t have that “voice”. That’s what I think are main issues. Thank you for serving this nation. And I do support the right for you to call me a ‘GIRLY-MAN-WANNABE-LOSER- WHOS AFRIAD OF CONFRENTATION’.

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Old 10-01-2013, 05:45   #1289
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And I do support the right for you to call me a ‘GIRLY-MAN-WANNABE-LOSER- WHOS AFRIAD OF CONFRENTATION’.
Glad to see you back GR! You have the courage of your convictions, IMO, and being an independent thinker that is willing to "put it out there" is a key SF trait. "girly-man-wannabe-loser"? Naah, don't think so!

One thing I would like you to consider: I think it was Winston Churchill who said something to the effect that all it takes for tyranny to prevail, is for good men to remain silent. (I'm sure Richard, or one of my other Brothers, will correct the historical context)

So, in that vein, what are "moderate" Muslims doing? (I am still not convinced there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim). IMO, as a non-Muslim, you either are or you're not. There is no middle ground.
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Old 10-01-2013, 06:03   #1290
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One thing I would like you to consider: I think it was Winston Churchill who said something to the effect that all it takes for tyranny to prevail, is for good men to remain silent. (I'm sure Richard, or one of my other Brothers, will correct the historical context)
Holy Alex Turbek Batman! What is Edmund Burke.

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So, in that vein, what are "moderate" Muslims doing? (I am still not convinced there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim). IMO, as a non-Muslim, you either are or you're not. There is no middle ground.
Good question. I too am interested in GiveRespect's answer.
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