04-16-2013, 18:09
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Bills being voted on right now in Sacramento
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04-16-2013, 18:18
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. . . as a former advisor to the Teleprompter Reader once said, "Never waste a crisis". Between New Town and Boston were going to see a lot of polictics being played (at teh cost of Freedom).
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The entire quote is, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." i guess that could sound ominous if one is convinced any change will come at their personal expense (I'm not sure the American tradition of compromise, free enterprise and separation of powers allows that to play out.)
Here's another great quote but from the President himself, ""You know, I was campaigning in Chicago and somebody asked me, is there ever any time where the budget might have to go into deficit? I said only if we were at war or had a national emergency or were in recession. Little did I realize we'd get the trifecta." —President George W. Bush, Charlotte, North Carolina, Feb. 27, 2002
Sometimes folks say stuff they wish people got the way they meant it, not the way they wanted to hear it.
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04-16-2013, 18:24
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TS,
Didn't even need a permit where I was according to MT law, I was cooperative anyway.
When he asked how I was doing 'thrilled and over joyed' was the answer 
PS..Fear, those that let it consume their common sense would be better served by doing nothing...see quote below...ain't living' if you ask me
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04-16-2013, 18:28
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.. . .Would-be pistol owners now will have to not only take an eight hour classroom training course, but actually hit the range to be certified and licensed. And since Maryland has relatively few shooting ranges, the likelihood of this process moving along in anything like an efficient and effective manner is nil.
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Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.
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04-16-2013, 18:36
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. . . .. They go by FM 13666, Salinsky's Rules..
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Do you mean Sal Alinsky? www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
It's an interesting read in a wacky way but here it is, peruse and draw your own conclusion. Interesting.
I'm not sure I'm tracking the 13666 reference, weak googl-fu, perhaps.
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04-16-2013, 18:38
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Oh - you mean like "Carpe Diem"? As in "we don't need the usual long term strategy of a death of a thousand cuts, we'll just steer the stampeeding sheeple over the cliff they wouldn't normally go near". All of the quote, part of the quote; I don't have any problem understanding RE's espousal of Progressive Doctrine. I'm just surprised he said it where hostile witnesses might repeat it to the relative few who understand the evils of progressivism.
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04-16-2013, 19:16
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Do you mean Sal Alinsky?
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No, I think he means Saul Alinsky.
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04-16-2013, 19:42
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Do you mean Sal Alinsky? www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
It's an interesting read in a wacky way but here it is, peruse and draw your own conclusion. Interesting.
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Good catch, Dozer! I fixed it.
I was talking about Saul Alinsky, the radical community dis-organizer who wrote the "manual" for other agitators like Obama and Hillary Clinton, and dedicated it to the "greatest radical of all time, Satan." Hence the 13666 reference. But, good catch, anyway!
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04-16-2013, 20:31
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Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.
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Where is this free market system? Certainly not in Maryland. There are limited ranges because it is difficult to start a range, given to cost, zoning restrictions and local regulations. These conditions will continue to hinder additional ranges opening. If not, I'm sure the Maryland Legislature will be happy to address that situation.
The law places onerous requirements and additional cost on the general population, which will limit the ability of many, particularly the poor, to have legal access to firearms and enjoy the whole firearms ownership experience. I'm sure that is the point of the law. It also provides a mechanism to gather data on those who possess firearms--just in case.
I guess the poor can just buy theirs on the black market, which I certain will expand in certain states like MD, NY, CT, etc... ( gotta love that free market)
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04-16-2013, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Dozer523
Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.
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In your scenario I would put my money on the EPA trumping the free market system.
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04-16-2013, 20:56
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In your scenario I would put my money on the EPA trumping the free market system.
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Exactly.
Very few new ranges are being built today, but a lot are being closed.
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04-17-2013, 03:50
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The law places onerous requirements and additional cost on the general population, which will limit the ability of many, particularly the poor, to have legal access to firearms and enjoy the whole firearms ownership experience. I'm sure that is the point of the law. It also provides a mechanism to gather data on those who possess firearms--just in case.
I guess the poor can just buy theirs on the black market, which I certain will expand in certain states like MD, NY, CT, etc... (gotta love that free market)
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That's in the X-ring. This has been tried before back before the emergence of the semi-auto with laws targeting the evil "Saturday Night Special." Then it was about small carryable revolvers. Result was the same; low-income folks who need to defend themselves the most, often because of where they live, are denied that. So they go elsewhere. Result is exactly counter to the rhetoric of the desired goal. It's BS, plain and simple and in many areas downright racist in its effect, harming a class they purport to regard as their base. Utter horsehockey.
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04-17-2013, 06:27
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Exactly.
Very few new ranges are being built today, but a lot are being closed.
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Good point.
Early risers get range time here. Any arrival past 9 am on a weekend and you'll have to wait up to an hour for a position.
I believe ranges will be a good trolling spot collectivist minions as gun control takes hold.
Fortunately, in Indiana, county property is currently not restrictive on firearms/fireworks.
We built the following on my brothers property just outside of city limits.
We have smaller models for rimfire in the barn.
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04-17-2013, 06:44
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Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon?
Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.
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Perhaps we can get an explanation of how someone becomes well regulated without a weapon to train with. Not to mention the fact that you forgot the second half of the Second Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.. Don't forget that pesky comma between "State" and "the".
Shall not be infringed would mean things like unnecessary burdens placed on the citizens to be able to keep and bear arms. Nowhere in the US Constitution is there a requirement to have 8 hours of training to own a firearm. Should we say you can only post on the Internet if you only have passed a class on political correctness so that you don't offend someone?
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04-17-2013, 07:50
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Please explain to me how one is a member of a well-regulated militia without training on his/her weapon? Apparently you have no faith in the free market system, a scarcity of available ranges will drive up the cost of range time leading to entrepreneur building more (and better) ranges thereby eliminating the scarcity which will in turn drive down the cost of range time.
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Not to worry weapons is one of my specialties. There's folks like me that will train such a militia and get them up to par in short order.
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