02-22-2013, 02:45
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Unsurprising... It is the People's Republic....
The Bill is out of State senate panel for debate in the full senate. I am shocked that the fees were reduced. Reckless tax-and-spend is the standard here. No accountability as the blue-sheeple blow bubbles and eat cheese.
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Senate Panel Approves Gun Control Bill
Friday, February 22, 2013
Robert Lang and Associated Press
Members of a Maryland Senate committee have made some changes to Governor Martin O'Mullet's gun control bill, but supporters say the bill has largely been kept in tact.
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Committee changes....
Rejected amendments that would have eliminated the assault weapons ban, as well as the requirement that handgun purchasers submit to fingerprinting
Cut the license fee for a handgun from $100 to $50. The renewal fee for a license was cut from $100 to $20.
Cut the required number of training hours from eight hours to four hours, cutting the cost of training in half from $150 to $75.
The committee extended the length of handgun license from five years to ten years.
Approved an amendment allowing the Maryland State Police to investigate alleged "straw purchases" of firearms at gun shops.
Prohibit someone from owning a handgun if the person has been involuntarily committed for any duration for mental health reasons.
Prohibit someone from owning a handgun if the person was voluntarily in a mental institution for more than 30 days.
Story here
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02-22-2013, 04:29
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States pushing back to any success that might come out of DC, states firing up their own versions possibly out of lack of confidence in the Central Committee in DC being able to get it done. Pretty clear polarization, which plays well for the administration - makes 420 cuts instead of 1,000 an easier sell and lots of points for 2A supporters to have to defend against.
Local, local, local.
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02-22-2013, 11:07
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Originally Posted by BKKMAN
You mean the Democrat in Republican clothing? I fear that you are correct. Christie will most likely sign that laundry list of bills... 
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It would not surprise me to see him switch parties in the future.
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02-23-2013, 14:12
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The Great Oregon Gun Grab
After reading this bill, you can't possibly not be left stupefied at the lengths that Democrats will go in this assault on the 2nd Amendment...
Better Get The Underground Activated Soon
Oregonians would be required to surrender their assault weapons and "high capacity" magazines within 120 days of the signing of the bill into law (based on the "emergency" declaration in Section 6). Those currently in possession of assault weapons/magazines would be allowed to retain ONE assault weapon and THREE magazines...
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(5) A registered owner of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine is required to:
(a) Securely store the assault weapon or large capacity magazine pursuant to rules and regulations adopted by the department;
(b) Allow an inspector from the department to inspect the storage of assault weapons and large capacity magazines to ensure compliance with this subsection;
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From Section 5:
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(4) The department may conduct inspections of registered owners of assault weapons and large capacity magazines to ensure compliance with the storage requirements of section 4 of this 2013 Act.
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From Section 6:
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This 2013 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergency is declared to exist, and this 2013 Act takes effect on its passage.
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The Section 6 declaration of "emergency", which puts the law into effect immediately upon passage, coupled with the very loose/generic wording for both the storage and inspection of assault weapons and magazines is troubling:
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Securely store the assault weapon or large capacity magazine pursuant to rules and regulations adopted by the department
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The department may conduct inspections of registered owners of assault weapons and large capacity magazines to ensure compliance with the storage requirements of section 4 of this 2013 Act.
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What if they deem that the only "sufficient" storage is a $4000+ gun safe? And another safe to store the firing pins in?
How often do they get to "inspect" the storage of these weapons? Do they have to give notice of the inspections? What if they discover some other violation (drugs, etc.) when they are conducting the inspection of weapons storage? Is that "off limits" because the primary purpose of the visit was the inspection of weapons storage? Are there even limits to this warrantless search/inspection?
May you live in interesting times indeed...
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02-23-2013, 14:53
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4th Amd Issue
This appears to be a 4th And Issue but................
The law says you must register your weapon. By registering your weapon you give permission for the search. So they can search.
But if you don't register they don't know for sure you have one - BUT - they can't search without a warrant.
That whole bill is just so stupid - and it's written by folks who got a lot of people's votes.
The Supreme Court is where the 2nd Amd will live or die. 3 1/2 years to sweat it out.
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02-23-2013, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Pete
The Supreme Court is where the 2nd Amd will live or die. 3 1/2 years to sweat it out.
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Heh. Given the potential alternative, I raise my coffee cup for their continued health & thorough continued enjoyment of their position within their chosen calling.
argghh...
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02-23-2013, 16:55
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Originally Posted by Pete
The Supreme Court is where the 2nd Amd will live or die. 3 1/2 years to sweat it out.
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I refuse to relinquish my inalienable rights to the opinion of 5 people.
Step 1: Fight it at the ballot box. Should that fail...
Step 2: Pressure legislators. Should that fail...
Step 3: Fight it in the courts. Should that fail...
Step 4: Refuse to comply/ overwhelm enforcement capabilities with civil disobedience. Should that fail...
Step 5: Engage in an open campaign promoting jury nullification/ overwhelm the legal system. Should that fail...
Step 6: If we reach this point, we've long since lost legitimate government.
The whole while, educate as many as will hear and sternly inform the gun grabbers that they will NEVER get their way, NO MATTER THE COST.
Molon labe.
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02-23-2013, 19:32
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F' Molon labe, what's Greek for 'We're Coming for your Ass!'?
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02-23-2013, 21:58
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Here is a response from one of my hacks hell bent on riding the wave of gun control:
Thank you for contacting me about how we can prevent future gun tragedies. I appreciate your correspondence and hope that you find this response helpful.
Gun violence prevention is a sensitive and complicated issue that can be very divisive. While we may not agree on all aspects of how to best enact change, it is important to remember that we do all have the same priorities at heart: the safety of our children, the traditions of our forefathers, and the freedom of our fellow Americans. I can assure you that I am working hard every day to ensure that all of these priorities can be achieved.
Newtown will forever be a reminder of what can happen when even one deranged person can gain access to a deadly weapon. Newtown was not the first time it happened, but I am committed to making sure it is among the last. Too many lives have been traumatically ended or interrupted by gun violence, and our nation has waited too long to establish real safeguards that are capable of protecting the lives of our children and families. Now is the time to work together to establish stronger common sense gun laws that will simultaneously protect our Constitutional rights and keep Americans safe.
As you may be aware, I recently announced my support for the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 , a bill that would take critical steps towards eliminating high-capacity magazines and military-style assault weapons that are designed to inflict deadly harm and mass casualties. Specifically, this bill will ban semiautomatic weapons that can accept detachable magazines and have at least one military feature, as well as eliminating high-capacity ammunition feeding devices. It excludes weapons that are used by military, law enforcement, and retired law enforcement, as well as antique weapons and a specific list of 2,258 makes and models of legitimate hunting and sporting rifles and shotguns. Passing this legislation is an important first step in preventing a mass shooting in the future.
But there is still more work to be done. Research has demonstrated again and again that background checks are effective in keeping guns out of the hands of potential criminals, and most American households--gun-owners and non-owners alike--agree on the importance of this safeguard. Unfortunately, 40% of gun sales today do not require background checks because they are private sales, made over the internet or at gun shows through non-licensed dealers. We need to increase the efficacy of our existing program by closing these loopholes and making it harder for dangerous people to obtain deadly weapons.
Further, preventing the next Newtown is not only about reducing access to the deadliest of weapons. Mental illness is a common thread among the perpetrators of recent mass shootings, and identification and treatment of potentially dangerous people must be made a priority. At the same time, we must recognize that there is absolutely no inherent connection between mental illness and violent behavior, and any steps we take to address these issues must not further stigmatize mental illness or discourage individuals and families from seeking diagnosis and treatment.
As we debate ways to stop gun violence, we must also ensure that the conversation does not stop at Newtown, but encompasses the thousands of victims of gun violence across the country every year. Specifically, too many urban neighborhoods are plagued by unacceptably high rates of gun violence. Better access to mental health care and smarter, more effective common sense gun laws can reduce this violence, and I will do everything I can to address this issue not only in the coming months, but every day that I am serving in the United States Senate.
Thank you again for contacting me about this matter. I appreciate hearing from you and assure you that I will always do my best to represent the views of my constituents in the Senate. In the future, please do not hesitate to call me in my Connecticut office at (860) 549-8463 or my Washington office at (202) 224-4041.
Every Best Wish,
Christopher S. Murphy
United States Senator
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02-23-2013, 22:00
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
And I bet Christie signs it.
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Yup, Christie has always been anti gun.
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02-24-2013, 06:18
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And pro Twinkie.
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02-24-2013, 13:33
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Originally Posted by Utah Bob
And pro Twinkie.
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You're awful...but in a funny, intolerant kind of way.
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02-24-2013, 13:56
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Originally Posted by Pete
The Supreme Court is where the 2nd Amd will live or die. 3 1/2 years to sweat it out.
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That's probably my biggest concern.....the Supreme Court.
Hopefully the remainder of the right side of the Court doesn't croak or retire and upset the yin-yang balance of "The Force".
Almost tied for 1st with me is seeing President Obama pick Mary Jo White(Wall Street's best legal friend) to head the SEC. Which would have been like John Gotti's old lawyer Bruce Cutler that got him off so many times made the District Attorney of NYC.....except instead of millions, we're talking trillions.
Who's been prosecuted on Wall Street of substance(beyond obvious ponzi schemers) since "Bush's buddies" at Enron and Worldcom got thrown in jail under President Bush's watch?
When's the last time anyone did a perp walk?
The story behind John Corzine is simply unbelievable.
There's some pretty big and very bad stuff getting smashed through while both the left and the right are bickering over the 2A.
While I reckon the 2A battle is very real, I also think it's a convenient distraction.
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02-25-2013, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
You're in the same boat as most other's Bob... The dense urban centers are dictating what the rest of the State does (or doesn't do). Our version here in the flatlands is the elitist libo-crowd and the entitlement handout metro counties control the State....the rest suffer.
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The rest will suffer indeed. I was listening to talk radio this morning, and they were discussing how Beretta is going elsewhere should the governors' gun bill go all the way. Link:
Washington Post article
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