01-24-2013, 16:04
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Feinstein AWB summary from her web page - no text of bill yet
Summary
January 24, 2013
Feinstein Introduces Bill on Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Magazines
Prohibits sale, transfer, importation and manufacture of 157 dangerous military-style assault weapons; bans high-capacity ammunition magazines
Washington—U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today joined a broad coalition representing Congress, law enforcement, doctors, clergy and gun violence victims to announce the introduction of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. The bill bans dangerous military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds.
The following joined the Senate bill as cosponsors: Senators Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), John Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).
“The bill introduced today is the product of more than a year of work, with input from across the country,” Feinstein said. “Getting this bill signed into law will be an uphill battle, and I recognize that—but it’s a battle worth waging. We must balance the desire of a few to own military-style assaults weapons with the growing threat to lives across America. If 20 dead children in Newtown wasn’t a wakeup call that these weapons of war don’t belong on our streets, I don’t know what is.”
The Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 has two principal goals:
First, the bill prohibits the sale, manufacture, transfer and importation of 157 of the most commonly-owned military-style assault weapons. It also bans an additional group of assault weapons that can accept a detachable ammunition magazine and have one or more military characteristics.
Second, the bill bans large-capacity magazines and other ammunition feeding devices that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. These devices allow shooters to fire numerous rounds in rapid succession without having to stop and reload.
The legislation also protects the rights of law-abiding citizens who use guns for hunting, household defense or legitimate recreational purposes. The Assault Weapons Ban includes a grandfather clause that specifically exempts all assault weapons lawfully possessed at the date of enactment from the ban. The legislation also excludes:
More than 2,200 legitimate hunting and sporting rifles by specific make and model;
Any gun manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; and
Weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement.
Other key provisions in the bill:
Requires background checks on all future transfers of assault weapons covered by the legislation, including sale, trade and gift;
Requires that grandfathered assault weapons be stored safely using a secure gun storage or safety device in order to keep them away from prohibited persons; and
Prohibits the sale or transfer of high-capacity ammunition feeding devices currently in existence.
“I believe this bill is a big step toward ending the mass shootings that have devastated families across the country—from Newtown to Aurora, from Tucson to Virginia Tech, from Columbine to Oak Creek,” Feinstein said. “It’s time for Americans to stand up and tell the gun manufacturers that the lives of our children are more important than their profits and get these dangerous weapons out of our schools, our workplaces, our malls and our theaters. It’s time to take action, and we’ll get it done, not matter how long it takes.”
Senator Feinstein was joined at the press conference by Senators Durbin, Schumer, Blumenthal and Murphy; Reps. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) and Elizabeth Esty (D-Conn.); Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter (also president of the U.S. Conference of Mayors); Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey (also president of the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association); and a wide range of groups that have endorsed the bill.
The full text of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 as well as additional background information is available on Senator Feinstein’s website at
feinstein.senate.gov/assaultweapons.
Additional resources:
Bill text will be made public after the bill is introduced.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ns-ban-summary
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01-24-2013, 16:21
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So why are retired law enforcement exempted from "these weapons of war [which] don’t belong on our streets"?
Why not exempt retired military too? (Rhetorical question).
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01-24-2013, 16:26
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THE LIST
List of firearms prohibited by name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.
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01-24-2013, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Snaquebite
List of firearms prohibited by name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.
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lol Good luck with that.
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01-24-2013, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Snaquebite
List of firearms prohibited by name
Rifles: All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15–T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR–70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R–15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR–15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT–9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub–2000, SU–16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR–48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1–C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Pistols: All AK–47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK–47 pistol, HCR AK–47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK–47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR–15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR–15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR–15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP–9 and MP–45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC–10, MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.
Shotguns: Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.
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From the summary...
"It also bans an additional group of assault weapons that can accept a detachable ammunition magazine and have one or more military characteristics."
So, the list is far from exclusive. No sunset, no transfer of banned mags -- this thing needs to die.
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01-24-2013, 16:58
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From the summary...
"It also bans an additional group of assault weapons that can accept a detachable ammunition magazine and have one or more military characteristics."
So, the list is far from exclusive. No sunset, no transfer of banned mags -- this thing needs to die.
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It will. Demlibs are too ignorant to be aware of the backfire this gun thing is gonna cause.
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01-24-2013, 17:14
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So why are retired law enforcement exempted from "these weapons of war [which] don’t belong on our streets"?
Why not exempt retired military too? (Rhetorical question).
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We can have them, but not apparently in the streets. Have to keep it in the yard. I have found out recently that nobody hunts with an AR so I'm not sure what I'll do with it.
You non-retired cops may send your "weapons of war" to me
c/o Lazy Bob Ranch
Middle o ' Nowhere, Colorado
I'l take good care of them. 
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01-24-2013, 17:21
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? . . . this thing needs to die.
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01-24-2013, 18:31
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Shoot, I see what you did there.
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01-24-2013, 20:37
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I wasn't quite sure where to put this due to several threads on the subject, but has anyone else heard anything about this?
Obama Asks Military Leaders If They Will “Fire On US Citizens”
To even think that the administration would issue an order to fire on "non-compliant dissidents" is appalling. However in the current climate with this bill going to vote, says it just may become an event in the not too distant future. Nothing surprises me anymore.
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Posse Commitatus prevents it.
As I understand it, they will need to use the Guard instead, and I don't see them kicking in doors and seizing property where they live.
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01-24-2013, 23:53
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For us retired LEO's it came down to Clinton's answer to put more cops on the street and his promise to do so while he was a P.I.T.A. POTUS. Thus HB 218 passed. I should say that the way it was written is very anemic at best and if you do happen to get involved in an active shooter incident and have to take someone down, you are left open and truley on your own.
Also, the fact that there is no "Federal Government" standard shooting course implimented in qualifying, you fall back on your state qualification course and that is enough to satisfy the requirements to carry as long as you qualify once a year on that course too.
I am awaiting an incident to happen that would really test the limitations and the huge holes in this HB.
Everyone has a right to defend themselves from injury and/or death as we all know. This even includes helping others that we may not even know.
What really scares this old guy is the intentions of having only the law enforcement people in this country armed. I have met many, many, and very many LEO's who should never have been given a badge and a handgun. They were very badge heavy and didn't believe in peoples rights, the Constitution, God's Laws or anything else in regards to taking an oath of office or in anyway learn to treat people with respect. I was that way once and I thank the Lord that it only lasted a couple of months before I realized my mistake. Like I have stated before: That Badge covers a small part of your chest and NONE of your Arse."
Unfortunately, some Academies across this nation seem to be teaching that we should be the only ones armed. This may not be in the curriculum of an Academy but I'll bet you it will be voiced by one of the Instructors during the Academy at some point! That kind of opinion instills wrong thinking I belief into someone young, dumb, stupid along with some College Idiots who join and who are more than eager to get out and fight crime and supress evil where ever it may rear its ugly head. Also seems to be an influx of newbies in the Academy that come across being members who are definately "anti-gun" and were either raised that way or at one point decided in their lives that ordinary law abidding people here in the USA should not be armed at all because they will protect and serve them as they can. BS! LEO's are well into the high percentage arena when it comes to being "pro-active". Reactive is more our nature. Thus, my argument for peoples rights accorded them by the 2nd Admendment.
Thus it angers me everytime I see on the news when legislation is produced to ban all Military-Style semi-autos; and the hyprocrite(s) that makes such statements, almost without exception, always has either allot or at least half of their background filled in with LEO's in uniform who support that ban just like Fiendstein does. It is in very bad taste to see those LEOs who are standing behind her in support (My belief is that they all do, otherwise why stand there.) of her hyperbole and her way of thinking on what is better for the people of this nation? I consider this almost as equal in the way with the very bad taste in which King Obama signed those executive orders with children from Sandy Hook school and then his audacity to name their names on television while signing and telling the American people that he is saving their lives as well as all school children. I mean why would they do this? You took an oath before GOD to protect the Constitution of this nation and you show up at some sort of circus rally/political statement making event that goes AGAINST one of the Admendments you swore to protect, and in uniform?
My beliefs are that this was never a battle between right and wrong but of Good versus Evil. It seems like our government forgot that a long time ago.
Just my beliefs and some disagreement with my supposed Brothers & Sisters in law Enforcement.
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01-25-2013, 04:26
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My beliefs are that this was never a battle between right and wrong but of Good versus Evil. It seems like our government forgot that a long time ago. 
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You make some good points & thanks for your post. These nods to animals that are more equal than others are seen often. It is seen in union heads who don't speak truly for workers, by associations of chiefs of police who are miles away from the sense of the rank & file officers' views, even GO's whose view has traversed to the completely political with a decline in both conduct and support of their oath.
On the opposite (east, appropriately) side of the state we have such a PD chief who'd look great in a Stasi uniform. There are LEOs and there are peace officers. I prefer having coffee with the latter.
Not to worry, there are plenty to join the battle. Evil doesn't get a pass
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01-25-2013, 05:06
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Go to link for complete list.
http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn...ional-gun-laws
From Florida to California, a growing number of the nation's sheriffs are standing up to gun control measures proposed by both the administration and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).
Many law enforcement officials have written letters to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden voicing their concerns over what they believe is an effort to infringe upon the Second Amendment.
In New Mexico, 30 of the state's 33 county sheriffs have reminded state lawmakers that they are under oath to support the U.S. Constitution, and that includes the Second Amendment.
CNSNews.com previously reported that 28 of the 29 sheriff's in Utah sent a letter to President Obama stating that they will not enforce any new gun laws they believe to be unconstitutional.
A host of Oregon sheriffs have said that they will not comply with any new unconstitutional gun regulations:
•Sheriff Craig Zanni wrote, "I have and will continue to uphold my Oath of Office including supporting the Second Amendment," in a letter to Coos County citizens.
•Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin said he would refuse to enforce any new Federal gun law he believes is unconstitutional.
•In a letter to Vice President Joe Biden, Grant County Sheriff, Glenn Palmer writes: "I will not tolerate nor will I permit any federal incursion within the exterior boundaries of Grant County, Oregon, where any type of gun control legislation aimed at disarming law -abiding citizens is the goal or objective."
•Sheriff Gil Gilbertson of Josephine County told Biden in a letter: "Any rule, regulation, or executive order repugnant to the constitutional rights of the citizens of this County will be ignored by this office."
•Sheriff Tim Mueller of Linn County, Oregon says his department will not participate in any overreaching and unconstitutional federal firearms restrictions.
In California, Sheriff Adam Christianson of Stanislaus County wrote to the vice president: "I refuse to take firearms from law abiding citizens and will not turn law-abiding citizens into criminals by enforcing useless gun control legislation."
A letter sent to Sen. Dianne Feinstein from Sheriff Jon Lopey of Siskiyou County, California states: "Our founding fathers got it right and many politicians are getting it wrong."
In Missouri, Lawrence County Sheriff Brad Delay tells the president: "I will...rise to the defense and aid of all Americans should the federal government attempt to enact any legislation, or executive order that impedes, erodes, or otherwise diminishes their constitutional right to keep and bear arms."
At a town hall meeting, Sheriff Denny Peyman of Jackson County, Kentucky told citizens "you are never going to pull a gun from Jackson County."
Smith County, Texas Sheriff, Larry Smith has said, "I will not enforce an unconstitutional law against any citizen in Smith County. It just won't happen."
In Florida, Martin County Sheriff, Bill Snyder said that he will not enforce federal gun laws: "Local law enforcement authorities are not empowered to enforce Federal law," Snyder said.
For a list of more sheriffs who are standing up against new gun regulations, please click here.
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01-25-2013, 06:21
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I dismiss anything coming out of California out of hand due to their tacit acceptance to the same laws as the federal government put forth but at the state level. An acquaintance ran afowl of their onerous and obtuse weapons laws some time ago and went from citizen to felon in an instant, over a technicality. This is a good man, that to the outside world is a villain. But to people who are acquainted with him know him to be the antithesis of that label.
If the sheriffs were serious about their commitment to the constitution, they would sign all NFA papers put before them as the 1934 firearms act is an infringement.
No sir, these sheriffs are politicians with higher aspirations that talk the talk but do not walk the walk of supporting the second amendment.
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Some sobering statistics in this piece that might not fit DiFi's gun ban narrative.
Gun crime facilitators are the ones pointing fingers
By Jack Kelly
JWR
1/23/13
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/011...3#.UQLDlXy9KSN
Liberals blame "gun nuts," the "gun lobby," and the National Rifle Association for gun violence. They should be pointing fingers at each other.
The NRA offers "a paranoid, dystopian vision of a more dangerous and violent America where everyone is armed and no place is safe," said New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
"It's outrageous and unsettling" that the NRA won't support gun control legislation in the wake of the massacre in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., in December, said Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
The emphasis white liberals put on gun control is racist, said Cornel West. "Not a peep; not a mumblin' word when the black folk getting shot. But now Newtown, vanilla side, low in behold we got a major conversation."
The Princeton professor thinks just about everything is racist, but he has a point. Most murder victims -- and most murderers -- are black.
In 2007, the homicide rate among blacks was 23.1 per 100,000; 2.7 for whites, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Nearly half of all murder victims are African Americans, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. More than 90 percent were murdered by other blacks.
Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, the New Century Foundation found in a 2005 study. They are three times as likely to use a gun while committing a crime of violence.
There were 200 more murders in Chicago last year than there were U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan. There's been as many homicide victims this month as there were in the Newtown massacre. Black New Yorkers are 13 times as likely to be murdered -- or arrested for murder -- as whites, says the NYPD.
Two-thirds of all murders with firearms last year took place in the 50 largest metro areas. Nearly all those cities are governed by Democrats. America doesn't have a gun violence problem. Democrats do. They facilitate gun violence.[/COLOR]
• The seminal event in criminology was the 1972 study by Marvin Wolfgang of the University of Pennsylvania that indicated just 7 percent in the cohort he studied committed more than two-thirds of violent crimes.
For each offense for which they were caught, these chronic offenders committed eight to 11 other crimes. They were rarely punished. Had these "Dirty 7 Percenters" been sent to prison for just a year after their third offense, there'd have been 7,200 fewer serious crimes in Philadelphia, Mr. Wolfgang calculated. Subsequent research here and in Europe has confirmed his findings.
The rate of violent crime has fallen by nearly half since publication of Mr. Wolfgang's study, chiefly because more chronic offenders are being sent to prison for longer periods. It would have fallen further, but liberals fought against longer sentences.
• Most gun crime is committed by gang members. Most gang members come from single parent families. Thanks chiefly to liberal policies which undermine traditional marriage, the proportion of blacks born out of wedlock has risen from 25 percent in 1965 to 72 percent now.
• The number of mass shootings (four or more victims) has risen from 18 in the 1980s to 87 in the 2000s. People like Adam Lanza, the Newtown shooter, would have been committed to a state mental hospital. But liberal policies emptied them out.
All but one mass shooting in the last 50 years has taken place in a "gun free" zone. Shooters choose them because they know there won't be an armed citizen there to cut their murder spree short.
Gun violence could be reduced if more who lied on the background check form were prosecuted, the NRA's Jim Roberts told Vice President Joe Biden last week. "We don't have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form," Mr. Biden told him.
They only have time to punish the innocent. But gun control laws haven't reduced violence in Chicago and New York. Violent crime soared in the District of Columbia after a gun ban was enacted. It "emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves," said Jeffrey Shapiro, a former prosecutor there.
To reduce gun violence, we must focus on the people who commit gun crimes, not on the law abiding.
JWR contributor Jack Kelly, a former Marine and Green Beret, was a deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force in the Reagan administration.
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