Feinsteins Gun Control Bill

[MR2]

Originally Posted by tonyz

One short interview on the gun control debate in the 2 links below.

Did you see the color drain from the anti-gun commentator's face when the other guy told him he was armed?

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by MR2

Did you see the color drain from the anti-gun commentator's face when the other guy told him he was armed?

That was priceless.

It looked like that commentator pooped his pants.

ETA ... What I'd like to know is, where can I get a grenade launcher? Mr. Poopy Pants commentator seems so knowledgeable about that, I'm just wondering where I can pick one up?

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[PSM]

HOUSTON -- A couple of strangers came to the rescue when a man was robbed at gunpoint. Now, the victim wants to say thank you to the Good Samaritans.

<snip>

“I don’t believe in guns,” said Dorsey. “I don’t own a gun. I’m totally at the mercy of my saviors. They obviously sent two angels to help me. These people protected me when I couldn’t protect myself.”

After the robber had been shot, police say he jumped over a fence and was attacked by a German Shepherd. That attack prevented him from getting away.

Link

He doesn't believe in guns so it's someone else's responsibility to risk their life to protect his(?) Well, anyway, the GSD had fun.

Pat

[Scamilton]

I also noticed his insistence to talk over him, and not allow him to speak every time he started to point out the holes in his "points". Typical left lib who only wants to hear his point made, and hear himself speak his infinite stores of wisdom to the uneducated backwoods conservative.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by tonyz

One short interview on the gun control debate in the 2 links below.

Both sides have equal time. These debates are occurring across the nation.

Watch, listen and judge for yourselves regarding what sounds rational or not.

Part 1

http://www.wowktv.com/video?autoStar...clipId=8177367

Part 2

http://www.wowktv.com/video?autoStar...clipId=8177373

Definitely worth watching, the guy on the right who was obviously on the left got a little fidgety there when he found out his guest was armed, my hats off to the gun advocate for handling himself so well.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

By the way, I'm still waiting for some links/statistics on the massive amount of SWAT team raids on 'recreational' drug users. Got any?

I don't have any links/stats on any massive amount of raids, but...

Originally Posted by Paslode

I will tell you this....

I have this very strange Uncle who had 2 boys, one of which stayed with him on occasion. Both of his sons were users, my Uncle on the other hand didn't indulge in anything, including alcohol.

One early morning in Paola, KS the FBI, KBI, DEA and many others descended on my Uncles farm kicked in the front door, shot his dogs as they were running out the door opening, pointed guns in my uncles face, ransacked his house for hours and left empty handed.

According to the older of his two sons, the raid was over a 'tip' that the younger son had 2 pot plants growing in the house....maybe, maybe not.

No one was ever charged with any crime, but my Uncle was left with taking care of the repairs and burying the dogs.

Seems like a bit of overkill for a guy who lives by himself. The Authorities probably could have called him and avoided the 'Show'......if they had wanted to.

Here are a few others 'some' believe are a bit over the top

Mountain Pure Water IRS RAid

Gibson Guitar

Colasante Clinic

Duncan Outdoors the owner of Duncan Outdoors is alleged to be a former Green Beret.

Dairy Raids


This what happens to local stories relating to local SWAT F-UPs.

http://fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-columbia...,7355120.story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RbwSwvUaRqc

And that doesn't even included the many KCMO SWAT raids that have gone wrong because they entered the wrong house.....that are no longer found on the web.

[TrapLine]

Originally Posted by tonyz

One short interview on the gun control debate]

Thank you for posting that. I think there are some valuable rebuttals to the typical anti-gun talking points in that interview.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

Definitely worth watching, the guy on the right who was obviously on the left got a little fidgety there when he found out his guest was armed, my hats off to the gun advocate for handling himself so well.

Yep, thought he comported himself very well, knowing he was in the face of attribution, the gov monopoly on use of force, etc., ad nauseum. And, yes, some moments especially worth noting.
Thanks tonyz.

[GratefulCitizen]

If a magazine sizes were restricted, there would probably be quite a market for 50 Beowulf AR mags.
10 rounders, of course.

[ES 96]

Originally Posted by Paslode

This what happens to local stories relating to local SWAT F-UPs.

http://fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-columbia...,7355120.story

And that doesn't even included the many KCMO SWAT raids that have gone wrong because they entered the wrong house.....that are no longer found on the web.

There's a thing about the Internet, nothing really goes away (your link, resurrected from the dead):
http://web.archive.org/web/201005100...,7355120.story

Also the Internet archive is a *very* handy tool for catching QP phonies who think they wiped their site, or the incriminating contents thereof. -> http://archive.org/index.php

[Badger52]

Nice job, Mr. Peabody.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by ES 96

There's a thing about the Internet, nothing really goes away (your link, resurrected from the dead):
http://web.archive.org/web/201005100...,7355120.story

Also the Internet archive is a *very* handy tool for catching QP phonies who think they wiped their site, or the incriminating contents thereof. -> http://archive.org/index.php

I am going to bookmark that for future use. Good stuff

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Paslode

I don't have any links/stats on any massive amount of raids, but...




Here are a few others 'some' believe are a bit over the top

Mountain Pure Water IRS RAid

Gibson Guitar

Colasante Clinic

Duncan Outdoors the owner of Duncan Outdoors is alleged to be a former Green Beret.

Dairy Raids


This what happens to local stories relating to local SWAT F-UPs.

http://fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-columbia...,7355120.story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RbwSwvUaRqc

And that doesn't even included the many KCMO SWAT raids that have gone wrong because they entered the wrong house.....that are no longer found on the web.

Here we go, again!

Not to beat a dead horse (now, where'd I leave that 2x4???), but:

I never said that I didn't believe that there is a proliferation of SWAT and SWAT-like raids by law enforcement - local, state, or federal. Nor did I say that I didn't believe those groups often went beyond what would be reasonable.

I specifically questioned a statement that I thought posed the premise that SWAT raids were focusing more on "recreational" drug users (again, whatever that means by whomever is defining it) as opposed to "armed drug gangs" ala "New Jack City".

In looking at the links you provided, the middle three refer to "armed federal agents" - which I guess could be anything from an IRS agent with a snub-nosed revolver (in a cool shoulder holster) to FBI HRT. I'll admit to NOT fully looking at the first link, because I couldn't get past the very scary music at the beginning.

Admittedly, the final one - the famous Amish Milk Raid - features what appears to be a "SWAT-like" raid. (But who can blame them? The Amish are noted for their wicked skills with pitchforks! )

Of course, none of them had to do with raids on "recreational" (or otherwise) drug users.

However, if you take all five of those, and add the ones that others posted in this thread (which covered 4 years IIRC), triple or quadruple (hell, quintuple) them to allow for "vanishing stories on the web", I'm not sure you could make the point I questioned.

For example... and I'm being conservative (as I always have been since I put an "AuH2O in '64" sticker on my parents' car)... IF we assume there are about 40 SWAT raids per year per state on ALL drug users, that would total 2000 per year nationwide. Quintupling the examples provided barely puts a dent in that number, low as it probably is.

As my final word on this particular subject (yes, I promise), I thnk the character portrayed by Sean Connery in "The Untouchables" says at one point that the first rule of police work is to go home at the end of your shift. IF a warrant had to be served on a location that was suspected of being occupied by drug dealers, who may be heavily armed, would you volunteer to take the place of the SWAT team and walk to the door in daylight, knock, and politely ask if you could search the premises?

I wouldn't.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

The Amish are noted for their wicked skills with pitchforks! )

As well as numbchuck, bowhunting and computer hacking skills.

[tonyz]

A link to share with some of those less familiar with some common firearm characteristics - as the gun control discussion develops.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/