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Old 12-28-2012, 20:49   #271
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Excellent read, for those who will bother to inform themselves.

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That means a lot coming from you, I appreciate it. The unfortunate thing is, too many Americans are busy watching Honey Boo Boo and buying shit from China to care that our Liberties are at risk. They're too infatuated with Hollywood and the media to understand that those things skew the reality of the world we live in.

Has anyone seen Hollywood's latest video calling for an end to gun violence? It's absolutely mind boggling how ignorant these wealthy
entertainers are, so now I refuse to support anything they are a part of as should anyone who really cares.

Boycott the media, the film industry, and anyone else who uses their power of influence to spread anti American agenda to our citizens. DiFi said 12/21 that she 'personally looked at pictures of guns' in her research for putting together a bill that would ban AW's. Are you kidding me? It's time you retired you old hag and you look like a villain from a comic book.

The people who re elect you are the same one's that will come running for help when shit hits the fan because they won't be able to defend themselves. What are they going to do when they can't afford to buy organic granola bars because our monetary system fell out?

I know I'm preaching to the choir but there are a lot of people who feel like I do and it's time to speak up.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Edit: Thank you Badger52 and others for taking the time to read it. I hope this man's article makes an impression on people all over the country.

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Old 12-28-2012, 21:11   #272
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Edit: Thank you Badger52 and others for taking the time to read it. I hope this man's article makes an impression on people all over the country.
I've been reading LC's books since he first went pro. His fiction is entertaining (if you like tongue-in-cheek monster slaying fantasy) and incorporates everything he articulates so well in this opinion piece. I wish I could hammer out 10,000 words in one sitting at 2100-0100 and do a fraction as well. Even more interesting are the comments from the people who read it and still blindly insist he "just doesn't get it - guns are evil and must be banned".
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Old 12-28-2012, 21:54   #273
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Even more interesting are the comments from the people who read it and still blindly insist he "just doesn't get it - guns are evil and must be banned".
There are those who fear what they do not understand and those who hate what they do not wish to understand. The second group are immovable, the one's like your signature suggests, live among us, and will do anything they can to make their agenda our reality.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:53   #274
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An opinion piece in Forbes.

Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry

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Lawrence Hunter
12/28/12

It is time the critics of the Second Amendment put up and repeal it, or shut up about violating it. Their efforts to disarm and short-arm Americans violate the U.S. Constitution in Merriam Webster’s first sense of the term—to “disregard” it.

Hard cases make bad law, which is why they are reserved for the Constitution, not left to the caprice of legislatures, the sophistry and casuistry of judges or the despotic rule making of the chief executive and his bureaucracy. And make no mistake, guns pose one of the hardest cases a free people confronts in the 21st century, a test of whether that people cherishes liberty above tyranny, values individual sovereignty above dependency on the state, and whether they dare any longer to live free.

A people cannot simultaneously live free and be bound to any human master or man-made institution, especially to politicians, judges, bureaucrats and faceless government agencies. The Second Amendment along with the other nine amendments of the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent individuals’ enslavement to government, not just to guarantee people the right to hunt squirrels or sport shoot at targets, nor was it included in the Bill of Rights just to guarantee individuals the right to defend themselves against robbers, rapers and lunatics, or to make sure the states could raise a militia quick, on the cheap to defend against a foreign invader or domestic unrest.

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

Americans provisionally delegated a limited amount of power over themselves to government, retaining their individual sovereignty in every respect and reserving to themselves the power not delegated to government, most importantly the right and power to abolish or replace any government that becomes destructive of the ends for which it was created. The Bill of Rights, especially the Second and Ninth Amendments, can only be properly understood and rightly interpreted in this context.

Politicians who insist on despoiling the Constitution just a little bit for some greater good (gun control for “collective security”) are like a blackguard who lies to an innocent that she can yield to his advances, retain her virtue and risk getting only just a little bit pregnant—a seducer’s lie. The people either have the right to own and bear arms, or they don’t, and to the extent legislators, judges and bureaucrats disparage that right, they are violating the U.S. Constitution as it was originally conceived, and as it is currently amended. To those who would pretend the Second Amendment doesn’t exist or insist it doesn’t mean what it says, there is only one legitimate response: “If you don’t like the Second Amendment, you may try to repeal it but short of that you may not disparage and usurp it, even a little bit, as long as it remains a part of the Constitution, no exceptions, no conniving revisions, no fabricated judicial balancing acts.”

Gun control advocates attempt to avoid the real issue of gun rights—why the Founders felt so strongly about gun rights that they singled them out for special protection in the Bill of Rights—by demanding that individual rights be balanced against a counterfeit collective right to “security” from things that go bump in the night. But, the Bill of Rights was not a Bill of Entitlements that people had a right to demand from government; it was a Bill of Protections against the government itself. The Founders understood that the right to own and bear laws is as fundamental and as essential to maintaining liberty as are the rights of free speech, a free press, freedom of religion and the other protections against government encroachments on liberty delineated in the Bill of Rights.

That is why the most egregious of the fallacious arguments used to justify gun control are designed to short-arm the citizenry (e.g., banning so-called “assault rifles”) by restricting the application of the Second Amendment to apply only to arms that do not pose a threat to the government’s self-proclaimed monopoly on the use of force. To that end, the gun grabbers first must bamboozle people into believing the Second Amendment does not really protect an individual’s right to own and bear firearms.

They do that by insisting on a tortured construction of the Second Amendment that converts individual rights into states rights. The short-arm artists assert that the Second Amendment’s reference to the necessity of a “well-regulated militia” proves the amendment is all about state’s rights, not individuals rights; it was written into the Bill of Rights simply to guarantee that state governments could assemble a fighting force quick, on the cheap to defend against foreign invasion and domestic disturbance. Consequently, Second-Amendment revisionists would have us believe the Second Amendment does little more than guarantee the right of states to maintain militias; and, since the state militias were replaced by the National Guard in the early twentieth century, the Second Amendment has virtually no contemporary significance. Gun controllers would, in effect, do to the Second Amendment what earlier collectivizers and centralizers did to the Tenth Amendment, namely render it a dead letter.

The truth is, the Founders understood a “well regulated” militia to mean a militia “functioning/operating properly,” not a militia “controlled or managed by the government.” This is clearly evidenced by Alexander Hamilton’s discussion of militias in Federalist #29 and by one of the Oxford Dictionary’s archaic definitions of “regulate;” “(b) Of troops: Properly disciplined.”

The Founders intended that a well-regulated militia was to be the first, not the last line of defense against a foreign invader or social unrest. But, they also intended militias to be the last, not the first line of defense against tyrannical government. In other words, the Second Amendment was meant to be the constitutional protection for a person’s musket behind the door, later the shotgun behind the door and today the M4 behind the door—a constitutional guarantee of the right of individuals to defend themselves against any and all miscreants, private or government, seeking to do them harm.

The unfettered right to own and bear arms consecrates individual sovereignty and ordains the right of self-defense. The Second Amendment symbolizes and proclaims individuals’ right to defend themselves personally against any and all threatened deprivations of life, liberty or property, including attempted deprivations by the government. The symbolism of a heavily armed citizenry says loudly and unequivocally to the government, “Don’t Tread On Me.”

Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence said, “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Both Jefferson and James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, also knew that their government would never fear a people without guns, and they understood as well that the greatest threat to liberty was not foreign invasion or domestic unrest but rather a standing army and a militarized police force without fear of the people and capable of inflicting tyranny upon the people.

That is what prompted Madison to contrast the new national government he had helped create to the kingdoms of Europe, which he characterized as “afraid to trust the people with arms.” Madison assured his fellow Americans that under the new Constitution as amended by the Bill of Rights, they need never fear their government because of “the advantage of being armed.”

But, Noah Webster said it most succinctly and most eloquently:

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”

That is why the Founders looked to local militias as much to provide a check—in modern parlance, a “deterrent”—against government tyranny as against an invading foreign power. Guns are individuals’ own personal nuclear deterrent against their own government gone rogue. Therefore, a heavily armed citizenry is the ultimate deterrent against tyranny.

A heavily armed citizenry is not about armed revolt; it is about defending oneself against armed government oppression. A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lawrence...med-citizenry/
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:24   #275
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Good opinion piece tonyz.

And Lan thank you for your post as well, excellent read.
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Old 12-30-2012, 13:20   #276
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Good opinion piece tonyz.
I agree. Thank you for sharing that tonyz.

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And Lan thank you for your post as well, excellent read.
No problem. Here's the latest-

Obama wants to enact more gun control measures in 2013
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Old 12-30-2012, 14:12   #277
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Has anyone seen Hollywood's latest video calling for an end to gun violence? It's absolutely mind boggling how ignorant these wealthy
entertainers are, so now I refuse to support anything they are a part of as should anyone who really cares.
If it was only ignorance, I could accept it as most folks would want to educate themselves to correct the problem. The real issue here is their hypocrisy. Jamie Foxx leads off the line up, and how many of his movies are based on gun violence? Jeremy Renner, Jon Hamm, Cameron Diaz, Chris Rock, Peter Dinklage, Jessica Alba...I'd wager most of the folks decrying gun violence in this ad have participated in one or more movies, TV shows, music or music videos that use violence to sell. Beyonce...really? Didn't your husband shoot his brother as a kid, and has gone on to make millions on violent rap? Most of them also likely have armed security details. Self-absorbed hypocrites, one and all.
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Old 12-30-2012, 14:35   #278
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Jamie Foxx leads off the line up, and how many of his movies are based on gun violence? Jeremy Renner, Jon Hamm, Cameron Diaz, Chris Rock, Peter Dinklage, Jessica Alba...I'd wager most of the folks decrying gun violence in this ad have participated in one or more movies, TV shows, music or music videos that use violence to sell. Beyonce...really? Didn't your husband shoot his brother as a kid, and has gone on to make millions on violent rap? Most of them also likely have armed security details. Self-absorbed hypocrites, one and all.
For those who haven't seen the videos that Razor mentions above, here they are ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OphHIxcq7dc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2y_U0sEuQ

... and YES, they ARE hypocrites, one and all.
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Old 12-30-2012, 14:45   #279
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You're right Razor. Obama said:

“I am not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. I am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. And I think the vast majority of the American people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem.”

The biggest hypocrite of all. Both of his daughters go to Sidwell where they have 11 armed guards and are looking to hire another

Armed security is good enough for your kids but not ours Mr. President?
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Old 12-30-2012, 14:57   #280
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Tuition at Sidwell Friends is :

Lower School
$33,268 (includes hot lunch and textbooks)

Middle and Upper Schools
$34,268 (includes hot lunch)

Security is not mentioned. I guess if we could all afford the luxury of armed guards at our childrens schools we would not be having this discussion.

For all the fees go to
http://www.sidwell.edu/admissions/tu...ees/index.aspx
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Old 12-30-2012, 15:24   #281
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Cost should not be an issue. Many people here have worked many years and paid tens of thousands in taxes to afford such a luxury.

I live in a state that just approved a muti-billion dollar train project, a multi-billion dollar water project and just got its citizens to approve a measure that raises taxes to support our failing education system. Many schools in my area may have closed had they not approved this tax hike. (That's what Governor Brown wanted voters to think)

Now our prisons are releasing more violent offenders out of prison because we can't afford them.

Crime is up everywhere, we are going to be facing hyper-inflation in the next couple years, and the government wants to mess with our right to defend ourselves.
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Cost should not be an issue. Many people here have worked many years and paid tens of thousands in taxes to afford such a luxury.

I live in a state that just approved a muti-billion dollar train project, a multi-billion dollar water project and just got its citizens to approve a measure that raises taxes to support our failing education system. Many schools in my area may have closed had they not approved this tax hike. (That's what Governor Brown wanted voters to think)

Now our prisons are releasing more violent offenders out of prison because we can't afford them.

Crime is up everywhere, we are going to be facing hyper-inflation in the next couple years, and the government wants to mess with our right to defend ourselves.
Sounds like the makings of a hollywood movie.......
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Old 12-30-2012, 15:41   #283
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haha, I wish it weren't true but I believe it is. I wish I hadn't lost my pistol on my most recent canoeing trip. I don't know whether I'll be able to arm myself before guns are confiscated
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Thumbs up I apologize in advance if this has already been posted

Found this on CalGuns (another forum I frequent). Have a good rest of your day gentlemen.


Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

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Just a few points from DF bill


•Requires owners of existing “assault weapons” to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

•Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

•Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.


http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ar...-ban-bill.aspx
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