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Old 12-27-2012, 12:04   #241
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But when they ask how to make these more restrictive gun laws, banning anything doesn't seem to make sense to the majority.
X-ring. Going back to the historical data provided, not the snippet that was run & grabbed on by the morning papers, even tying it to dates of things like Columbine & VA Tech shows the survey subjects didn't regard large amounts of legislation as being a tool to legislate behavior. With 18sec till commercial break most information consumers won't get it & don't dig for it. Could be a more aged (and less secure) demographic (over a decade or more), lots of factors impact surveys.

I wonder how many, if asked, would know that Columbine happened 5 years after the start of the first AWB, smack in the middle of a period of law that was marketed to them as making them safer, and that the GFSZA had been in place for 9 years.
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Old 12-27-2012, 14:24   #242
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I believe that there should be no talk about new gun laws until the proponents come up with a thorough and 100% effective plan to seize all firearms from those convicted of violent crimes, gang-related crimes and drug-related crimes.

Start there, watch the crime rate over the following 5 years and THEN show me that we need more gun laws.

The solution lies in disarming the criminals, not going after law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights for defense of self and the innocent.
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Old 12-27-2012, 14:50   #243
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They're not screwing around this time. This makes the Clinton AWB look like a walk in the park. This evil legislation has to be killed before it sees the light of day. Every owner of a magazine with a capacity of over 10 rounds becomes a felon the second after this law is passed. Another goodie includes a national registration of grandfathered "assault weapons" for easier confiscation down the road, and the banning of some handguns.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons
I do not like this, nor do I like whatever compromise may come of it.
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Old 12-27-2012, 14:57   #244
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How long until Homeland Security is demanding your papers?
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Old 12-27-2012, 15:55   #245
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If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town, from the grief that has visited Tucson, and Aurora, and Oak Creek, and Newtown, and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that -- then surely we have an obligation to try.
Once again, it appears the only national tragedies that count are those caused by guns. Where is the demand for a new Prohibition on alcohol and a ban on tobacco, which kill in even greater numbers than all the shootings listed above combined? How about make any public or private pool deeper than 2 feet illegal? We could always drive down vehicle deaths by governing motors to 35pmh max. Those are steps that can be taken to save lives, but it creates too much discomfort or inconvenience among the constituency, so it will never even be considered. "Even one step"...right, nice platitude.
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Old 12-27-2012, 16:02   #246
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We could always drive down vehicle deaths by governing motors to 35pmh max.

Or mandate the use of mass transit by the commoners.
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Old 12-27-2012, 16:20   #247
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Interesting Factoid: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Secret-Service

Some animals are more equal than others.

Yes they are..........

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Old 12-27-2012, 17:30   #248
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While we are considering gun control I also suggest we ban spoons. After all they are responsible for rampant obesity that as prevalent among children - and it has to be the spoons fault.
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Old 12-27-2012, 17:39   #249
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While we are considering gun control I also suggest we ban spoons. After all they are responsible for rampant obesity that as prevalent among children - and it has to be the spoons fault.
Nip psychos in the bud. Ban hetero sex. Wait...libs...just kiddin'.
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Old 12-27-2012, 19:30   #250
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is what Senator Feinstein's website has as her "modest proposal."

She would probably take 90% of it now, knowing she can get the rest later.

There is a ban on 120 named weapons, and any others with similar characteristics.

The ban on transferring mags would appear to prohibit loaning your shooting buddy a 12 round SIG mag, or your kids inheriting any of your mags. I guess they will have to be destroyed, or buried with you.

It provides for a complete ban on magazines over ten rounds. I wonder if they will make it illegal to reload your murder weapon after you shoot the first ten victims?

Those of the 120 restricted guns you decide to keep will have the same regulatory and application process as a fully automatic machinegun.

Looks like three gun competiton will be a lot like cowboy action shooting, when the Dims are done.

Not much I have seen being proposed to keep crazy people from acting crazy among the rest of us.

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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/publ...ssault-weapons

Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
120 specifically-named firearms;
Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.
Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
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Old 12-27-2012, 20:23   #251
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Today at a local dealer I overheard them tell a customer there were 600 NCIS calls ahead of him.

That said, it would appear that if the Feinstein registration requirement passes it would require the BATFE or whoever to hire a massive number of new government employees to process the potential millions of firearms that fall under the new law.

I am not aware of what the NFA wait time is these days, 4 or 5 years ago it around 6 months if they didn't lose your paper work......if this proposal takes effect that 6 months could turn years, which could create problems if there is a amnesty deadline.

This a huge cluster f--k in the making.
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Old 12-27-2012, 23:05   #252
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How long until Homeland Security is demanding your papers?
Started in October of 2001. Govt. issued photo ID required for interstate conveyance by commercial air carrier. Before the TSA was even formed. Now required for banking, some Internet access, even buying gift cards, but not for taking the Oath of Office for POTUS.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:37   #253
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This a huge cluster f--k in the making.
Last line of Feinstein's press release; they are highly skilled at funding huge cluster f--ks.

And they're assuming everyone will play nice.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:17   #254
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In the mean time I'll be stocking up on 30 round magazines for my Glock & AR15. If this unfortunately passes through these mags will be 4X their worth.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:49   #255
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Last line of Feinstein's press release; they are highly skilled at funding huge cluster f--ks.

And they're assuming everyone will play nice.

True and I did some more digging.

Based on what I read on the internet, there is 'appears' to be a connection between registration and gun confiscation. While it is frowned upon to use example of Germany, China and Russia...there are more recent examples:

Canada:

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/ar...-equals-c.aspx

California:

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...px?ARTID=23707

Hurricane Katrina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4


Venezula:

http://www.examiner.com/article/vene...firearms-sales

Australia:

http://archive.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/6/26/12629


Apparently, there is a long track record of gun registration being used later on to confiscate legally registered firearms.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-registered39/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...6143039AAIVbUH


Just one example of how politicians manipulate gun control:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...vWipydklC80HYM
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