AWB Ban - Page 2

Air.177 · 09-13-2004, 16:37

Also:

In several of the local News Outlet's stories about the AWB have included "12 Gauge Revolving Cylinder shotguns" I.E. Streetsweeper, Striker, etc. To the best of my knowledge, these weapons are still classified as Destructive devices requiring the same Payment of tax and completion of paperwork as a Machinegun or Silencer.

From the ATF Website:

Q. Does the expiration of the SAW ban affect firearms under the National Firearms Act?
A: All provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA) relating to registration and transfer of
machineguns, short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons
made from shotguns, any other weapons as defined in 26 USC section 5845(e), silencers, and
destructive devices still apply. However, it is now lawful to possess NFA firearms that are also
semiautomatic assault weapons, as long as all provisions of the NFA are satisfied.
USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under
ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.

09-13-2004, 16:59

Rubberneck, you are Da Man!

I haven't been asked too much about AWB. When I do get questions they are typically of the "you won't feel safe anymore on the street will you?" type of BS. My reply is usually "The only people that scare me are the ones asking that stupid question!"

By the way, I am a member of the FOP and have been for 20 years. I and ALLOT of other LEO's who are members out there NEVER supported the AWB in the first place! Don't let the media mislead you into believing otherwise. I am not for a society where we are the only ones that are allowed to play, hmmm, sorry, possess them!

rubberneck · 09-13-2004, 18:07

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Originally Posted by MAB32

When I do get questions they are typically of the "you won't feel safe anymore on the street will you?" type of BS.

Tell them that according to DOJ statistics 1 in every 44 Americans over the age of 12 were the victim of violent crime last year. Over 5.4 million americans couldn't count on LEO to save them from being victimized despite the great efforts of Law Enforcement. Quite frankly I would tell them that I feel uncomfortable with those who would are making every effort to ensure that me and my family are left defenseless in the face of that threat.

flyboy1 · 09-13-2004, 18:32

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Not exactly.

This is my problem with the reporting of this issue.

The law DID NOT BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS!!!

TR

I believe we are in definite agreement here, did not mean to imply assault weapons were banned; just that the manufacurer's were prohibited from manufacturing them with more than 2 items from the list.

No need to defend your "rant" we always love hearing your side of the issues.

**The Reaper** · 09-13-2004, 19:08

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Originally Posted by flyboy1

I believe we are in definite agreement here, did not mean to imply assault weapons were banned; just that the manufacurer's were prohibited from manufacturing them with more than 2 items from the list.

No need to defend your "rant" we always love hearing your side of the issues.

I understood your post.

The article you quoted stated, "This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics..."

That is also what the media is saying.

You repeat a lie often enough, to most people, it becomes the truth.

Just trying to keep the record straight here.

TR

Seth · 09-13-2004, 19:29

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

You repeat a lie often enough, to most people, it becomes the truth.

Just trying to keep the record straight here.

TR

Just to illustrate TR's commentary, here's Kerry using that "lie repeated into truth" syndrome, for effect.

Quote:

"For the first time in 10 years, when a killer walks into a gun
shop, when a terrorist goes to a gun show somewhere in America, when they
want to purchase an AK-47 or some other military assault weapon, they're
going to hear one word: 'Sure,"' he continued. "Today, George Bush chose
to make the job of terrorists easier and make the job of America's police
officers harder, and that's just plain wrong."

I wonder if AQ complies with all NFA rules.....

**The Reaper** · 09-13-2004, 19:31

I wonder if Kerry complied with the laws for all of the guns he has been gifted.

Out of state transfers can be very tricky!

Thoughts, Counsels?

TR

rubberneck · 09-13-2004, 20:22

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I wonder if Kerry complied with the laws for all of the guns he has been gifted.

Out of state transfers can be very tricky!

Thoughts, Counsels?

TR

Ask and ye shall receive.

Don't Arrest Kerry in Shotgun Incident, Gun-Law Expert Says

A Gun-law expert Alan Korwin is calling for calm in the national uproar over John Kerry's possible serious gun violations during a recent photo op in Racine, W.V.

The national clamor over the Democratic presidential candidate, who took possession of a Browning semiautomatic shotgun outside his home state, reflects a problem with the laws and should not be used to arrest and prosecute the man, Korwin says.

A gun crossing state lines is heavily regulated thanks to John Kerry and his ilk.

"There are so many charges Kerry might face," according to Korwin, who has written seven books on gun laws, including the unabridged plain-English federal guide "Gun Laws of America."

1. Taking ownership of the shotgun gift, if he doesn't already have a valid Massachusetts Firearm Identification Card, could subject him to a two-and-a-half-year prison term in his home state. Since he has claimed publicly he owns firearms, chances are he has this critical piece of paper, Korwin says.

2. Bringing the firearm back to Massachusetts, if he received it from a private party, would be a federal felony under the 1968 Gun Control Act (five years in prison, $5,000 fine, 18 USC §922).

3. The only exemption that would allow him to bring it into his home state requires that he obtained it in a face-to-face transaction with a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL). A private gift would not qualify.

4. If Kerry did get it from an FFL, he would have had to personally fill out and sign a 4473 form, required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), before the gift was given, under penalty of federal felony.

5. If Kerry did not personally undergo a "NICS" instant background check before the transfer from an FFL, he would have put the person conducting the transfer in some legal jeopardy, though the law contains a loophole that probably would save Kerry from additional harm (the dealer, not the recipient, suffers from failure to do the NICS check).

While gun lobbyists are inflamed that Kerry introduced a law that would outlaw this particular type of sporting shotgun and gun gifts in general, it is a good thing the law has not passed yet, because then it might be too serious a problem to simply ignore.

Korwin says that calls to indict Kerry are premature and "most certainly overkill. John Kerry should receive the same lenient treatment any other citizen deserves when innocently violating these complex and non-intuitive rules." At least give him a chance to explain, Korwin pleads.

Unfortunately, federal authorities from BATFE have been known in the past to be inflexible in their enforcement of even minor technical violations (note that none of these felony violations involve a victim or any sort of harm). With widely circulated evidence, in the form of photographs of Kerry in obvious possession of the firearm, he could find himself subject to the long arm of the law.

More importantly, Korwin says, "Some of these laws are just foolish, putting honest citizens at enormous and unjustified risk, and are so complicated that even a presidential candidate and his staff cannot figure them out."

**Roguish Lawyer** · 09-13-2004, 21:14

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I wonder if Kerry complied with the laws for all of the guns he has been gifted.

Out of state transfers can be very tricky!

Thoughts, Counsels?

TR

I like it! But good luck finding a willing prosecutor.

flyboy1 · 09-14-2004, 08:31

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

I like it! But good luck finding a willing prosecutor.

Marsha Clark

flyboy1 · 09-14-2004, 08:55

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I understood your post.

The article you quoted stated, "This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics..."

That is also what the media is saying.

You repeat a lie often enough, to most people, it becomes the truth.

Just trying to keep the record straight here.

TR

I figured you understood

You have a very good point stating that if you repeat something enough times, it becomes the truth to most people.

Our Politicians are experts in this realm, whether they use the media, radio or newsprint to do their dirty work, they have a knack for "nagging" the public until their point/topic becomes second nature and "true."

Basenshukai · 09-14-2004, 12:38

Now that I bought an Omega watch, I have to find a way to convince Household 6 that we also need a fully automatic M4 to add to the other guns. I'm open for suggestions.

Air.177 · 09-14-2004, 12:56

Once again, the recently expired "Manufacture Ban" Only applied to "Semiautomatic Assault Weapons" The title itself is an oxymoron as TR mentioned. A Transferrable full auto M4 from a Reputable Manufacture (Colt Registered receiver) WILL cost $15,000+ as well as the $200 tax.