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Old 05-04-2011, 11:27   #361
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As I said, I defer to your expertise and experience.

That said, I'd like to clarify my earlier comments. I'm not suggesting that Obama is a hero, or that his "go" order was a spectacular occurrence. I simply gave him credit for getting this one right. Sometimes even a blind hog finds some mud to wallow in.

I don't think this remotely makes up for his naive foreign policy decisions, including his attempt to strong arm Israel into peace negotiations with the Palestinians, his desire to engage Iran, and his general handling of the WOT. Perhaps not surprisingly, the NYT today has an editorial stating "Mr. Obama’s risky and audacious decision to attack the Bin Laden compound in Pakistan has demolished the notion that he cannot make tough decisions[.]" Yeah, as if. 2 days after giving the ok, the Administration is agonizing over releasing photos? Well, looks like the President is back in character. I'll be interested to see how he deals with the Hamas/Fatah agreement, given Hamas' response to Bin Laden's death. How will he deal with Pakistan now that it's clear that she harbored the world's most wanted terrorist?

My hope is that Obama is learning and will take a more realistic approach to foreign policy. My belief is that he will not. I'm not happy with the excuses being offered as reasons to withhold the photos. "Too gruesome"? Really? Since when has that been a concern? "Might cause retaliation"? Oh. You mean their not trying to kill us now?

Yep, back to business as usual.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:28   #362
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Obama has apparently just decided NOT to release the photos. Jesus fucking Christ. Is he learning impaired? He just released his birth certificate to (finally) quash the "silliness" of the birthers, and now he won't release the photos of Bin Laden? Well, at least he's back to acting in character.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:31   #363
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It's obvious you love the man. Ditch the shovel.
Yeah, whatever. You're a funny man, Dusty.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:32   #364
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Obama has apparently just decided NOT to release the photos. Jesus fucking Christ. Is he learning impaired? He just released his birth certificate to (finally) quash the "silliness" of the birthers, and now he won't release the photos of Bin Laden? Well, at least he's back to acting in character.
All we are saying is give Trump a chance.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:33   #365
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Eric Holder - "entirely lawful and consistent with our values."

The BHO folks seem to be having a rather difficult time communicating a coherent message regarding the facts pertaining to this mission - and this is with a very pro-BHO and relatively compliant press corps.

Holder continues to appear as an ineffective tool of the administration. A couple of topics are covered in this article but the primary discussion is about the death of bin Laden - but - Fast and Furious is mentioned as well as Holder's failure to prosecute a possible breach of national security.

Holder, like his boss, is an incompetent and near worthless tool.


Holder concerned over revenge for bin Laden

By Associated Press
Wednesday, May 4, 2011
Boston Herald

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_...=recent_bullet


WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder expressed serious concern about Americans’ safety from possible revenge attacks for Osama bin Laden’s death and expects the terrorist watch list will be expanded based on evidence collected in the al Qaida leader’s home.

Holder also said the raid was "entirely lawful and consistent with our values."
Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee in testimony today that he thinks bin Laden’s death ultimately will make the United States safer. But meanwhile, he’s trying to address the risk that terrorists will try to avenge his killing.

Holder said he held a conference call earlier this week with U.S. attorneys nationwide to go through steps he wants them to take to be on their toes. He did not specify what those steps are.

Holder also said officials from his department are working with intelligence officers to examine evidence collected from bin Laden’s residence in Pakistan. He said he expects names will be added to the terrorist watch list and no-fly list because of it.

The attorney general agreed with Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., that there was a sound legal basis for the raid.

"Let me make something very clear: The operation in which Osama bin Laden was killed was lawful," Holder told the senators. The raid "was justified as an action of national self-defense" against "a lawful military target," he said.
White House officials earlier said the people who carried out the raid were prepared to take bid Laden alive if he was willing to surrender but instead he resisted capture. Holder basically reiterated that.

"If he attempted to surrender, we obviously should have accepted that," Holder said. "But there’s no indication he wanted that. It was a kill or capture mission. I’m proud of what they did. And I really want to emphasize what they did was entirely lawful and consistent with our values."

Holder was under a second day of oversight questioning on Capitol Hill; Tuesday he was questioned by the House Judiciary Committee.

Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, the panel’s ranking Republican, questioned Holder about a chart he said was prepared by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in response to a controversy over the efforts of U.S. agents who hunt gun traffickers along the U.S. border with Mexico.

The chart showed 15 people indicted in January were responsible for buying 1,318 guns from Arizona dealers after being identified as targets of Fast and Furious, the agency’s name for its anti-gun-trafficking program. The chart dated March 29 said only 250 of these weapons have been recovered in the United States.

Holder replied that he was seeing the document for the first time at the hearing so he could not answer questions about it.

Grassley and fellow GOP panel member Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama also criticized Holder for the decision not to prosecute one of Justice’s former attorneys who tipped off the media about the Bush administration’s warrantless eavesdropping program. They said they were disappointed to read news reports last week that Thomas Tamm will not be prosecuted for the leak that he acknowledged making to the New York Times and that then-President George W. Bush called a breach of national security.
"It just seems to me that it sends a very, very bad signal that leaking is OK and you aren’t going to get prosecuted for it," Grassley said.

Holder said the decision was made by career attorneys in the department and he did not sign off on it and couldn’t comment on why Tamm wasn’t prosecuted.
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All we are saying is give Trump a chance.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:40   #367
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Yeah, whatever. You're a funny man, Dusty.

Suspect we're all about to witness the difference between bravery and stupidity.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:46   #368
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Obama has apparently just decided NOT to release the photos. Jesus fucking Christ. Is he learning impaired? He just released his birth certificate to (finally) quash the "silliness" of the birthers, and now he won't release the photos of Bin Laden? Well, at least he's back to acting in character.
Well guess that clears up any doubt ...sigh all insanity ...Makes my head hurt
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:50   #369
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Suspect we're all about to witness the difference between bravery and stupidity.
He's new, but he is definitely on somebody's radar...
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He's new, but he is definitely on somebody's radar...
Really? Being accused of loving Obama is funny to me. I know I'm new, but I don't think I've posted anything that could be taken as offensive or disrespectful.
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Old 05-04-2011, 12:02   #371
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Really? Being accused of loving Obama is funny to me. I know I'm new, but I don't think I've posted anything that could be taken as offensive or disrespectful.
You're all right, dude; no worries.

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Old 05-04-2011, 12:19   #372
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You're all right, dude; no worries.

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Old 05-04-2011, 12:27   #373
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Looks like Obama isn't going to release the pictures.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/05/...ase/index.html

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You're all right, dude; no worries.

My screen name isn't green.
You rang?
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It's cool, Bro; evidently "Maverick" was already taken as a screen name...
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