08-11-2004, 19:03
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I see some top down (on the religious side) going on in that article and it looks like Islam is playing a role. Whatcha think Jimbo?
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To respond to that I would have to split some more hairs (like a call to arms vs. recruiting for terrorism, rhetoric vs. deliberate action, agitation vs. action). If I did that I think I would be less welcome than now.
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08-11-2004, 21:07
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Also, when Muslims travel away from their homelands, they are often descriminated against or somehow made to feel unwelcome in their new home. (the fault for this I think lies with Islamic schools and many Islamic leaders who have done little to prepare their brethern to interact with other societies).
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"It is in the nature of man to like what he is familiar with and in which he has been brought up, and that he fears anything alien. The plurality of religions and their mutual intolerance result from the fact that people remain faithful to the education they received."
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08-12-2004, 06:03
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Bull...
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Originally posted by Jimbo
To respond to that I would have to split some more hairs (like a call to arms vs. recruiting for terrorism, rhetoric vs. deliberate action, agitation vs. action). If I did that I think I would be less welcome than now.
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You can say what you want, you will still be welcomed.
Use your "physchological warfare and education" on the terrorist. I'm just here to accomodate their needs...
A quick ride to meet Allah and their virgins. 
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08-12-2004, 06:45
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Roger.
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08-12-2004, 12:10
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You can call me what you want to...
I have not forgotten 9/11. I'm a profiling MOFO...so whenever I fly. I'm damn sure thinking this...
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08-12-2004, 12:17
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All the article at the beginning of all this said was that terrorists do not present clinical psychological problems. Also, what is not stated in the article is that because they have rationalized what they are doing (because it is 'normal' to them), they will not display many of the tactical tip-offs that some 'experts' have said terrorists might; such as excessive sweating, looking nervous; dry mouth, that white crap in the corners of your mouth, etc...you just can't count on those as a tip off. Richard Reid was the exception and an idiot.
So, as long as you factor that into your profiling, happy hunting.
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08-12-2004, 12:50
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Richard Reid was the exception and an idiot.
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It took a clinical study to tip you off to that?
I would have thought his appearance would have been enough.
I am with Guy on this, anybody acting squirrelly around me is going to get scrutinized, and probably challenged. If his responses do not track, he is going to get jacked up. If he wants to escalate, I plan to be one step ahead of him. Better tried by 12 than carried by six.
Muslims that do not want to be profiled should start challenging their brothers, providing intel, speaking out, and taking bad Muslims down themselves. As of yet, I have seen very little of that, if any. I find this conduct (or lack thereof) incriminating.
If American terrorists had killed 3000 Muslims, and taken out a significant symbol, like crashing a couple of large a/c into the shrines at Mecca and Medina, I would sure as hell tread lightly when traveling to their country, if I had to at all. If I was working there, I would have to consider getting the heck out ASAP.
Just my .02.
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08-12-2004, 12:55
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Re: You can call me what you want to...
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I have not forgotten 9/11. I'm a profiling MOFO...so whenever I fly. I'm damn sure thinking this...
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Guy, sorry, but on a lighter note, I had to put this one up too.
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08-12-2004, 13:29
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All the article at the beginning of all this said was that terrorists do not present clinical psychological problems. Also, what is not stated in the article is that because they have rationalized what they are doing (because it is 'normal' to them), they will not display many of the tactical tip-offs that some 'experts' have said terrorists might; such as excessive sweating, looking nervous; dry mouth, that white crap in the corners of your mouth, etc...you just can't count on those as a tip off. Richard Reid was the exception and an idiot.
So, as long as you factor that into your profiling, happy hunting.
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Listen and read carefully.... INSTINCT!
Which comes from... EXPERIENCE!
What "on the ground" experience do these people have?
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08-12-2004, 14:36
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Great discussion, but I'm done.
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08-12-2004, 15:29
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That's normal.....
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Great discussion, but I'm done.
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Quit when the "internet" going gets tough. 
I'll post my speech/story about you XXXX who either talked or wrote about "how" shit should be done.
edited by NDD: If there's going to be name calling, clarify your statement or take it to PM please.
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