Aimpoint or EOTech - Page 2

militarymoron · 07-09-2004, 10:15

i agree with TR also, based on my much more limited experience. i have 3 aimpoint comp Ms, an eotech 551 rev E, and an ACOG TA01NSN (but i've shot the TA31F). i found it relatively easy to get hits on 12"x18" steel at 300 yds (zero'd at 50) from the bench (supported) with both the eotech and aimpoint, so at least i know the rifle/ammo/optic combo can do it under optimal conditions, and the rest is up to me. any farther than that and my eyesight needs help from magnified optics.
i actually liked the reticle of the eotech better - my astigmatism makes the aimpoint dot a bit out-of-round. the smaller 1MOA eotech dot was also a bit easier to center on targets.
the ACOG is great, and in retrospect i'd go with the TA31F with donut instead of the TA01NSN if i had to do it over as the TA31F is more versatile at closer ranges.
twilight and lower light conditions is where the extremely clear and magnified optics of the ACOGs shines. when it was getting dark, and the dot of the eotech and aimpoint made it very difficult to pick out targets (due to contrast), the ACOGs would make target ID and hitting them possible.
i'd vote for the TA31F, based on the use you stated.
cheers,
MM

Viking · 07-11-2004, 23:30

I haven't tried the EO Tech yet? May be getting them soon. Not sure. I prefer the ACOG because of the magnification which comes in handy at my location. I have a back up iron sight that is zeroed. If I know that we are heading on a DA, I switch and put on my Aimpoint and move the red dot to the center of my iron sights. time permitting, I swing by the range and confirm. not always possible. It's always been dead on though. When I get done, I switch back to the ACOG and go zero. I put it back in the same slots, and it usually requires some very minor adjustments to get dead center.

Guy · 07-12-2004, 17:17

I had the EOTECH on this last trip. Depending on the environment/AO you are working in and your actual mission.

Since my mission was changed at the last moment. If I had my choice. I would go with the optic with magnifying capabilities.

Especially in a desert AO. Easier to ID targets further out while keeping the the weapon on target.

The hell with binos when someone is approaching at a high rate of speed. Plus the EOTECH would wash out in or was difficult to acquire the reticle in bright light.

In a desert AO...most likely you will be taking longer shots.

Polypro · 07-28-2004, 04:20

EOTech over Aimpoint. No problems with washout, unlike Guy. Newest ones are tough. TA31F if you need magnification and the BAC works for you.

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**Peregrino** · 08-09-2004, 22:52

EO Tech hands down over the Aimpoint. I've got one of each, the Aimpoint stays on the wife's carbine (she's less likely to use hers socially). Within 150m which is all I'm looking for with the carbines the EO Tech is superior. My only complaint is battery life, it's not as good as the new Aimpoints. I compensate by having the AA version and putting fresh batteries in whenever I'm playing. TR's comments on the ACOGs are spot on. I do a fair amount of longer distance shooting and as my eyes age I'm finding magnification is becoming more critical. He's convinced me of the advantages to the ACOG, I just can't afford one at the moment. I'm getting ready to get an SPR upper built by a friend and I may consider splurging (though I like TR's Leupold too). FWIW - Peregrino

**18C4V** · 08-10-2004, 01:04

ACOG, Aimpoint (CCO), and BIS. We have to zero and qualify with all three on my team. I keep the ACOG on my weapon and have the CCO with the BIS handy in case I have to switch out.

rudelsg2 · 08-10-2004, 07:44

I've used a EO TECH since about 99' and I love it. I've shot out to 300m with it, no problem. I do agree the N batteries do leave a little to be desired. I beleive it is heads and shoulders above the COMP M, but still miss the ACOG's range. But lately most of my work has been done in urban enviroments and I just don't like the magnified veiw in a close gun fight. Most of my engagements have been 100m or less.

For you ACOG guys here's a set up you might want to think about. There is a sight called the the J Point, a fellow Tm Sgt had the company make him a bracket to fit his J Point on top of his ACOG. The bracket mounts in place of the rear appreature. With this set up it gives him the best of both worlds, ACOG for long range and the J Point for close range work. The J Point itself is good out to 200 yards.

It comes in with either a 4 minute dot or a 8 minute dot. The 8 minute dot is fine to use as a back up for CQB, 4 minute if your going to use this for a Primary site. I'm trying to purchase some of these for my ODA and might switch over to this set up myself.
Just thoought I'd throw that out there.

Air.177 · 08-10-2004, 09:00

Here is a link to the Jpoint.

Looks similar to the tasco optima and the Doctor sight.

**18C4V** · 08-10-2004, 10:44

Quote:

Originally posted by rudelsg2
For you ACOG guys here's a set up you might want to think about. There is a sight called the the J Point, a fellow Tm Sgt had the company make him a bracket to fit his J Point on top of his ACOG. The bracket mounts in place of the rear appreature. With this set up it gives him the best of both worlds, ACOG for long range and the J Point for close range work. The J Point itself is good out to 200 yards.

It comes in with either a 4 minute dot or a 8 minute dot. The 8 minute dot is fine to use as a back up for CQB, 4 minute if your going to use this for a Primary site. I'm trying to purchase some of these for my ODA and might switch over to this set up myself.
Just thoought I'd throw that out there.

Dude,
Let me know how it works out. I'm going to give my team sgt a heads up regarding this.

Thanks for the link Air.177

Air.177 · 08-10-2004, 10:56

Quote:

Originally posted by rudelsg2
I've used a EO TECH since about 99' and I love it. I've shot out to 300m with it, no problem. I do agree the N batteries do leave a little to be desired. I beleive it is heads and shoulders above the COMP M, but still miss the ACOG's range. But lately most of my work has been done in urban enviroments and I just don't like the magnified veiw in a close gun fight. Most of my engagements have been 100m or less.

For you ACOG guys here's a set up you might want to think about. There is a sight called the the J Point, a fellow Tm Sgt had the company make him a bracket to fit his J Point on top of his ACOG. The bracket mounts in place of the rear appreature. With this set up it gives him the best of both worlds, ACOG for long range and the J Point for close range work. The J Point itself is good out to 200 yards.

It comes in with either a 4 minute dot or a 8 minute dot. The 8 minute dot is fine to use as a back up for CQB, 4 minute if your going to use this for a Primary site. I'm trying to purchase some of these for my ODA and might switch over to this set up myself.
Just thoought I'd throw that out there.

How do the Jpoints hold up? I have played with some of the JP stuff in the past, but have always considered it to be "Game Gear" and not likely to hold up to real world use/abuse I know their match triggers are really nice if they are done right.

Several friends of mine have the JP open sights mounted at about 1 o'clock on the forend of their scoped ARs for close range targets, and it always looked cool, if a little excessive.

rudelsg2 · 08-10-2004, 11:15

I know Brett used his in Iraq on the last rotation (not in the current configuration with the ACOG) and had no complaints. I'll have to double check, but I believe the mount has a protective hood like the EO TECH. The first gen of HOLO sights made by Bushnell (first gen meaning first I saw used on a military rifle) were pretty much the same way (fragile) till EO TECH came out with the 550 Model which was "militarized" with a protective hood and the other features.