Acog's and CQB

[BadMuther]

Originally Posted by NousDefions794

BM,

September 2004 I was fortunate enough to help test some possible additions to the SOPMOD kit for the M4. One of the items I fell in love with was a JPoint sight attached to an ACOG. It is a small red dot sight placed on top of the ACOG. It worked great for CQB and it is very small. I used it for flat range drills, moving and shooting and finally CQB runs in the house. My only gripe was that the JPoint sight is above the ACOG. Instead of a cheek to stock, I had to force myself to get a chin to stock. BUT because of this I had great peripheral view.

http://www.jprifles.com/Jpoint.shtml

As an update to a 5 year old thread, last year I mounted a Jpoint on top of my acog and just love it!

I'm purchasing another 4x32 acog (unsure what exact model #) for $500 and I'm hoping it's also a TA-31F!

[Stras]

Originally Posted by BadMuther

As an update to a 5 year old thread, last year I mounted a Jpoint on top of my acog and just love it!

I'm purchasing another 4x32 acog (unsure what exact model #) for $500 and I'm hoping it's also a TA-31F!

I ran that system in OIF III and IV, ACOG with JPOINT, and iron sights flipped up at all times. Worked flawlessly.

They have new ACOGs out now with the red dot, or triangle (depending on what you want) in them, which negates the need for the JPOINT on your personal civilian weapons.

I'm currently saving up for one of them for the AR that is currently in the "build" stage. They run around $750.

The biggest issue with the JPOINT mounted on top of the ACOG is the Sight to Barrel height (6-8 inches) and how that is affected at distances. There is little differences at under 25 meters, but definite issues over 50 meters, causing you calculate math in your head while simultaneously engaging targets (easy on a flat range, little more difficult on the two-way live fire range).

[blue02hd]

BM,

With all respect to the other posters here on this thread that actually have used the ACOG/ EOTECH/ Red dot variants, I simply think you are trying to make applesauce with bananas.

CAN you use an ACOG in CQB, well yes, but it is not designed for that application. CAN you offset a second sight system on your forearm, yes, but I have yet to encounter a military ran training program that teaches that, therefore I will not even consider it.

If you are looking for a "CQB" sight then there are many to choose from, but the ACOG is simply not one of them.

Nor is an EOTECH going to give you a 4X Magnification to help you reach out to the upper limits of an M4.

I personally choose to go with an EOTECH or red dot variant versus the ACOG's magification due to the faster reaction time when engaging threats under 25 meters. As distance provides more time to react, and time is our friend, the choice for me is a sound one.

So I guess you need to ask: What application are you trying to master?

Hope this helps.

[BadMuther]

Originally Posted by blue02hd

BM,

With all respect to the other posters here on this thread that actually have used the ACOG/ EOTECH/ Red dot variants, I simply think you are trying to make applesauce with bananas.

CAN you use an ACOG in CQB, well yes, but it is not designed for that application. CAN you offset a second sight system on your forearm, yes, but I have yet to encounter a military ran training program that teaches that, therefore I will not even consider it.

If you are looking for a "CQB" sight then there are many to choose from, but the ACOG is simply not one of them.

Nor is an EOTECH going to give you a 4X Magnification to help you reach out to the upper limits of an M4.

I personally choose to go with an EOTECH or red dot variant versus the ACOG's magification due to the faster reaction time when engaging threats under 25 meters. As distance provides more time to react, and time is our friend, the choice for me is a sound one.

So I guess you need to ask: What application are you trying to master?

Hope this helps.

Sir,

Some people can use the "Bindon Aiming Concept" that allows them to use a acog topped rifle at CQB distances-I am not one of those people, though I wish that I were. So a Mini Red Dot on top of the acog suits my needs as a best "all around" combo.

FYI, the acog I picked up for $500 was a Ta-31f.

[Ken Brock]

I ditched my EOTech for a Mini-ACOG

since it only has 1.5x magnification it works great for what I do

If I was using it for longer distances I would have went with a 4x