09-24-2009, 08:07
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Have you looked into recoil compensator. They can make a big round recoil like small round. I have a 44 mag, that is pretty tamed, much similar in shooting a large frame revolver shooting a .38 special.
Other thought is instructions. I feel there are two kinds of felt recoil. The actual physical one and the one that intimidates the shooter and is more mental. My daughter is pretty petite and shoots about everything I own. She has no problems shooting my .45s.
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09-24-2009, 08:19
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For those who have not shot the 5.56 and 9mm back to back, I do not think that there is very much difference in felt recoil. Muzzle blast would be more significant with the rifle round due to the greater powder charge.
I strongly suspect that recoil may be greater with a .40 S&W than with a 5.56x45 carbine.
The best .40 S&W defensive loads tend to be better stoppers than the best 9mm rounds, IMHO.
Olympic is very spotty with quality, and parts tend to be different from MIL-SPEC as well.
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09-24-2009, 09:27
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For those who have not shot the 5.56 and 9mm back to back, I do not think that there is very much difference in felt recoil. Muzzle blast would be more significant with the rifle round due to the greater powder charge.
I strongly suspect that recoil may be greater with a .40 S&W than with a 5.56x45 carbine.
The best .40 S&W defensive loads tend to be better stoppers than the best 9mm rounds, IMHO.
Olympic is very spotty with quality, and parts tend to be different from MIL-SPEC as well.
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Thanks TR, great info, I wouldn't have guessed that the 40 would have greater recoil than a 5.56.
I was getting the feeling from my research that Olympic was a crap shoot at best, and that's not the kind of odds I like in firearms, especially if my wife is shooting them.
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Have you looked into recoil compensator. They can make a big round recoil like small round. I have a 44 mag, that is pretty tamed, much similar in shooting a large frame revolver shooting a .38 special.
Other thought is instructions. I feel there are two kinds of felt recoil. The actual physical one and the one that intimidates the shooter and is more mental. My daughter is pretty petite and shoots about everything I own. She has no problems shooting my .45s.
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Hollis she doesn't have any issues in terms of being intimidated, she shoots all my handguns with no issues including a full size 45 (I always get amused by the big grin on her face after she gets done shooting  ), the bigger issue in terms of both recoil and weight is she has some back issues, may not be an issue, but I'm always very wary of what she can handle in terms of both recoil and weight, better to be safe than sorry.
I think I'm going to strip my M-4 down and let her shoot that again and see what she thinks, it's been a while since she shot it, last time she said it was too much but that's been a couple of years and she's been working on strength training since then.
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09-24-2009, 09:34
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(I always get amused by the big grin on her face after she gets done shooting ),
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I noticed that from women too. IMHO it is from empowerment. There is a old saying that goes something like this. "God did not create all men equal, Sam Colt did. " Women are finding that Sam have brought them equality too.
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09-24-2009, 09:56
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I always have liked the Ruger Mini-14 in the .223 Remington - my wife does, too. 
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09-24-2009, 12:14
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Thanks TR, great info, I wouldn't have guessed that the 40 would have greater recoil than a 5.56.
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Technically, it doesn't, but I was speaking of felt or perceived recoil.
The actual recoil energy in 8 pound carbines is:
9x19 - 1.01 foot pounds
.40 S&W - 1.46 foot pounds
5.56x45 - 2.52 foot pounds
All are well beneath most adults' sensitivity level.
FWIW, a 7.62x51 NATO M-14 yields about 8.12 foot pounds, a 9 pound 12 gauge with heavy loads is at 25.6 foot pounds, and a .50 BMG chambered AR-50 (weighing 32 lbs.) generates 70.5 foot pounds.
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09-24-2009, 20:57
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Technically, it doesn't, but I was speaking of felt or perceived recoil.
The actual recoil energy in 8 pound carbines is:
9x19 - 1.01 foot pounds
.40 S&W - 1.46 foot pounds
5.56x45 - 2.52 foot pounds
All are well beneath most adults' sensitivity level.
FWIW, a 7.62x51 NATO M-14 yields about 8.12 foot pounds, a 9 pound 12 gauge with heavy loads is at 25.6 foot pounds, and a .50 BMG chambered AR-50 (weighing 32 lbs.) generates 70.5 foot pounds.
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Reaper Sir,
by heavy loads, do you mean slugs?
I perceived the recoil from a standard Remington 870 shooting slugs to be heavier than M1A/M14 shooting 168 grain, but I'd never have thought it
to be three times heavier! (25.6 vs. 8.12)
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09-25-2009, 09:34
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Reaper Sir,
by heavy loads, do you mean slugs?
I perceived the recoil from a standard Remington 870 shooting slugs to be heavier than M1A/M14 shooting 168 grain, but I'd never have thought it
to be three times heavier! (25.6 vs. 8.12)
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For recoil, it doesn't matter what the projo is, just what it weighs.
I used a 1-3/8 oz. load at 1250 fps, IIRC to calculate it. In my experience, that is a heavy, hard-kicking load.
You might try benchresting the slugs, or shooting the M1A from an offhand position, like you probably fired the shotgun.
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09-25-2009, 14:42
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If you want cheap you can get a marlin camp 9 or camp 45 they have aftermarket 30rd magazines you can buy.
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/MAGMAR02.aspx
I would just build a light AR-15 with a good flash suppresser and recoil buffer no rails and just a flattop with flip up sights.
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09-26-2009, 08:18
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People!
Read between the lines. Obviously this entire thread was created by Defender968 in order to justify buying another Gun. Defender968 excellent work in covering your A$$ for your upcoming Weapons purchase 
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Read between the lines. Obviously this entire thread was created by Defender968 in order to justify buying another Gun. Defender968 excellent work in covering your A$$ for your upcoming Weapons purchase |
Finally, someone gets it!
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10-13-2009, 02:12
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my wife's AR... i'm all about caliber consolidation. i have 9s and ARs, she has 9s and ARs (well, just one for now). if the S ever HTF, we can man the wire together, pulling mags from the same go-bag. aww.
it'd be better balanced with a SOPMOD (my favorite)... but she likes the way the MOE "looks." with all shooters, male or female, small or bigass- weapon "weight" is more about balance than actual weight. a muzzle-heavy weapon will feel heavier than a weapon that actually weighs more, yet has more weight in the stock. good heavy stocks are UBRs, Emods, SOPMODs, and (off the top of my head) the new ACS is probably a bit on the heavier side, for a lot less d'oh than a SOPMOD or UBR.
i bet if you stuck with some plastic handguards and put an Emod on an M4 for her, she'd love it.
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