Ideas for Fixed Blade - Page 3

**Bill Harsey** · 12-17-2008, 20:00

JGarcia,
Been working the problem you asked about at the end of your post. Been working it for well over a year and forward progress is being made.

JGarcia · 12-17-2008, 21:31

Mr Harsey,

I can see the brutally utilitarian thing in my head, but I'm neither an artist or a knifemaker.

The serrated bone saw on the back edge of the AF survival knife comes in handy to make shavings from soft materials (magnesium, aluminum) and sawing through carcass bones. http://www.epcamps.com/images/550036.jpg It’s also got a fluted or grooved blade like the Ka-Bar, which is a feature I’d like to see on this knife.

The M3 trench knife comes close to ideal for me, except it is very weak at the hilt and the pin in the pommel wiggles around, the thing is very prone to rust as well. The knife as built is too fragile. But look closely and you will notice that the dagger edge does not run the full length on both sides of the knife; there is a flat edged unsharpened bit that runs half way down the knife from the hilt. That is where I’d put the bit of serrated edge like the AF survival knife has.
http://www.5thrib.com/images/weapons/m3.jpg

I like the shape of the pommel of the roman gladius. It’s far too big a pommel for the design I have in mind, but the oval shape of it gives an idea of what I am thinking. I would have the single piece of steel dagger terminate at the pommel into a ball end with a raised “USA” on it.
http://wiki.rpg.net/images/b/bc/Gladius.jpg

More on the pommel; the ball end pommel is inspired by the ball peen hammer; imagine a 7 inch dagger blade extending from this ball:
http://content.answers.com/main/cont...e/f0081-01.png

The raised “USA” on the ball pommel comes from this:
http://www.gatling-gun.com/images/St..._Buckle_11.jpg

I like the micarta handles I’ve seen on your knives; I’ve always admired the handle designs you made. But while the knives are beauties, and excellent knives by any standard, they aren’t what I consider (but who am I, right?) a man killing tool.
http://www.signedknife.com/images/Dscf1050at1040.jpg

Everyone seems to be making variations of the gerber lmf type knives these days. I’m still waiting for someone to go ugly, to go old school like a pair of chuck taylor’s or a rack grade M3 grease gun of fighting knives. Something so free of “bling” its sole purpose is undeniable.

cold1 · 12-18-2008, 07:51

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Originally Posted by JGarcia

Everyone seems to be making variations of the gerber lmf type knives these days. I’m still waiting for someone to go ugly, to go old school like a pair of chuck taylor’s or a rack grade M3 grease gun of fighting knives. Something so free of “bling” its sole purpose is undeniable.

I am not in the same profession as you or have the same needs in a knife, but Damn I love the way you think.

Rock on

**Bill Harsey** · 12-18-2008, 09:40

JGarcia,
Sawteeth hang up in stuff like web gear, clothing and tough connecting tissues. This is proven and why we don't do saw teeth on the backs of knives.

If ugly added to the function we'd already be doing that.

I've spent time around the Oregon State Police forensics lab and have been shown the evidence in many cases involving the lethal use of a knife. They don't have to look "man killing" to work very well.

**Razor** · 12-18-2008, 10:06

I have a feeling many of those knives look more "vegetable paring" or "steak cutting" rather than "man killing".

JGarcia · 12-18-2008, 18:23

Whatever is at hand, eh Razor.

Mr. Harsey,

You're the expert. Come to think of it, my multi tool has stuff that can do that sawing, filing, shaving stuff better. Thanks for the focus.

Okay, I say cross out the saw teeth.... But aside from that; I'd like to see the other featurs in the Mark 1 Mod 0 Army Fighting Knife. Thanks for listening.

**Bill Harsey** · 12-19-2008, 11:22

JGarcia,
Been thinking about your design term "go ugly" I think this could mean real direct and straight foward design with minimal stuff. Most of the knifemakers here try to do that unless Brock has changed direction on me.
Maybe just a difference in words.

Ps. If you find anything frilly on my knives, I'll buy the beverages when we meet.

JGarcia · 12-20-2008, 11:46

Mr. Harsey,

If we ever meet I'll buy the beverages and just shut up and listen to you talk. I dont think that your knives are frilly, at all. I am certainly no expert on knives or fighting with them; you are the hands down authority on knife building. Your knives are great knives.

But if you wanted ideas on fixed blade knives, I throw mine into the ring.

You got my meaning exactly right on the phrase "go ugly" .... Just a straightforward dagger fighting knife, like the M3 knife, but updated.

I did not mean to imply that your knives were frilly. Please accept my apologies if that is how I came across.

Ken Brock · 01-02-2009, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

JGarcia,
Been thinking about your design term "go ugly" I think this could mean real direct and straight foward design with minimal stuff. Most of the knifemakers here try to do that unless Brock has changed direction on me.
Maybe just a difference in words.

no sir, you know I'll never change directions in that respect

sal · 01-02-2009, 11:39

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=263

sal

x SF med · 01-02-2009, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Ken Brock

no sir, you know I'll never change directions in that respect

Ken, Please don't change directions on your designs, not until I can finally get one...

As Mr. Harsey will attest, I own a few knives (there would be a larger collection, but I have to buy other items like food, and pay rent) a significant fraction of which are his designs.

Each has it's own use - some are multi function, some have been used for the wrong thing, and some (unless I would like a vacation at the expense of the state) are not generally carried. When I lived in the Northeast, I had to be extremely careful even with my daily carry blades (yes, even when I was wearing a suit to work, I carried a knife of two, some things become ingrained) my Sebenza was illegal in NY, My T-1 was illegal in NY, so my little Gerber 300 (total 3" open) was a given - and ther were many times I was ignoring the law and carried a blade over 2.75" long... A knife is a tool to me, as is a hammer, or a rake, or a swing blade... any one of them can be a weapon, any one of them can be a life saver, any one of them can be harmless.

I could not see carrying my GB in the streets of NY, nor my old cheap survival knife from my days in the field - but I also feel naked without a GOOD knife, generally a folder with me 99% of the time.

The GB is a wonderful tool for survival in both aspects - field craft and reducing your enemy to a carcass - I have barely used it for the former, and hope I don't have to use it for the latter - although it would be my #1 choice for that.

Tobusch · 01-27-2009, 13:38

if you want to have a "civilian" blade, why do not look at a nice and compact hunting knife, maybe a half integral knife, made of one piece of steel.
Satin finish and leather sheath included...
And it does look friendly, cause it is not made for causing damage to humans

ccrn · 01-27-2009, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Tobusch

if you want to have a "civilian" blade, why do not look at a nice and compact hunting knife, maybe a half integral knife, made of one piece of steel.
Satin finish and leather sheath included...
And it does look friendly, cause it is not made for causing damage to humans

Yep I see where youre going with that. The fact that its a civilian blade is its own camaflouge concealing its intended use.

Ive got the LMF II and have been working with that. Nice knife for a cheap off the shelf model and well thought out. Goes to show that something inteded for one purpose works well for another.

Still saving for the Harsey "Green Beret"knife.

And looking for something for EDC-