11-05-2008, 21:26
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I see the prices of ammo being largely effected, as well as some sort of ban or restriction on high-capacity magazines. Ammo is already too damn expensive as it is and I can never seem to "stock" any of that stuff because I like shooting too much. I'm already building another AR and I just got my first 1911 a few months ago, and I'm also going to go ahead and get my conceal-carry permit just in case. I'm really hoping the Democrats have enough to deal with besides messing with gun control; surely they do...
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11-05-2008, 21:29
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I stopped by Del-Ton this afternoon. They're 3-5 weeks backlogged; expect the big guys to be even worse. My recommendation is to purchase the basic flattop (w/detachable carrying handle - it's cheaper than most BUIS) M-4gery and spend the extra money on other "gaps" and ammo. Most vendors can put one in your hands fairly quickly for +/- $750.00. The more "high-speed" the greater the cost and the more likely you are to experience delays/shortages, especially in today's market. (Remember - "Walter Mittie" has to have the $1750.00 Secret Squirrel M4A25 and his panic buy will skew the high end market. Accessories are luxury items that risk analysis (mine  ) says won't be affected immediately. 99% of them can be user installed with patience and common sense after the market stabilizes. Go to Brownell's, open an account, get their AR specialty catalog, and shop from it.
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11-05-2008, 21:56
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Suppose I need to get off my butt and pick up a shorty 5.56 and maybe a 7.62 while I am at it before the crap goes south any more so than it is now as well as stocking up on handgun and rifle ammo...
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11-05-2008, 22:32
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I live in California. Most of the stuff you guys are suggesting is banned under state law here.
I'll probably just get a ton of ammo, a couple of .22 LRs and another handgun or two.
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11-05-2008, 22:42
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phones light up
My friends son is an armorer at DPMS in St Cloud...salesmen said the phones were non stop all day. It's good to have someone in the know. I am going to concentrate on reloading supplies . I tend to agree that the 2nd amendment is an easy, cheap target for the Obama to toss to Move On.org and others on the left. It will not cost the treasury anything.... look for the assault weapon ban to be re-instated.
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11-05-2008, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
I live in California. Most of the stuff you guys are suggesting is banned under state law here.
I'll probably just get a ton of ammo, a couple of .22 LRs and another handgun or two.
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Feel free to come on over to Arizona and buy what you need. I'll gladly "store" it for you. 
Attention: This post is intended for humorous purposes only. It is not an offer to violate any federal, state, or local statutes - current or future.
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11-06-2008, 00:35
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Originally Posted by Surgicalcric
Suppose I need to get off my butt and pick up a shorty 5.56 and maybe a 7.62 while I am at it before the crap goes south any more so than it is now as well as stocking up on handgun and rifle ammo...
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If by "shorties" you mean SBRs, you better be willing to wait on your ATF forms because most folks are waiting up to three months on their paperwork. Unless you're able to expedite the process through the military...
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11-06-2008, 07:56
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If by "shorties" you mean SBRs, you better be willing to wait on your ATF forms because most folks are waiting up to three months on their paperwork. Unless you're able to expedite the process through the military...
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If you think the Form 4 process is going to get easier, or the wait shorter after the inauguration, you should think again.
I would get any Class III items I wanted ordered now.
One thing I would do if I owned a gunstore is to ask each customer if they voted. If the answer was no, they would go to the back of the line.
TR
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11-06-2008, 09:23
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California M4's
RL,
I defer to your legal expertise. I've attached some links which might be of interest to you. Apparently there is a way around the CA AWB.
As I understand this, there is a list of banned guns in CA. Someone sued the state, saying that the state had to ban each individual manufacturer not just “AR Series.” Well a judge agreed, so the state has to ban each AR lower by name, not just AR series.
If the State bans a particular lower, an owner of such a lower would have 90 days to register it as an assault weapon. Once it is a registered assault weapon you can have 30rd mags and all the “scary” features you want. So they will probably not ban any more, because if they don’t ban it you are limited to a 10 round fixed magazine.
Fixed magazines are magazines that are permanently attached or can only be removed with a tool. One such permanently attached magazine device uses a 5.56 round as the "tool" to remove the magazine.
Before I jump feet first into this, I humbly ask for your legal expertise. These are the links I mentioned earlier. Ten percent firearms is located in Taft, CA.
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/in...main_page=ar15
http://www.calguns.net/copmemo2.pdf
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/in...=index&cPath=9
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11-06-2008, 10:30
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I figure that a lot of weapons will be banned soon. Anyone following the latest proposals? I'd like to know what I should go buy . . .  |
I was wondering if you might be willing to discuss the mechanics of a Federal Lawsuit in opposition to a new AWB. If the Congress is foolish enough to revisit this issue I have to believe that the NRA will fight it in the Courts citing Heller. How does that prospect effect the time line for implementing an new AWB. If such litigation can tie up an AWB for several years it might change how I view my purchasing decisions now.
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11-06-2008, 10:42
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I was wondering if you might be willing to discuss the mechanics of a Federal Lawsuit in opposition to a new AWB. If the Congress is foolish enough to revisit this issue I have to believe that the NRA will fight it in the Courts citing Heller. How does that prospect effect the time line for implementing an new AWB. If such litigation can tie up an AWB for several years it might change how I view my purchasing decisions now.
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IIRC, the last AWB went to the SCOTUS and was upheld.
If there is any hope of doing this, it will need to be quick, before the balance of the Court changes again. I would wager Obama won't be appointing too many gun-loving judges.
TR
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11-06-2008, 13:32
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Response to Rubberneck
A good book to read on the legal ramifications and unconstitutionality of the Clinton Era AWB is "From My Cold Dead Fingers: Why America Needs Guns" by Sheriff Richard Mack. The ISBN is 0-9641935-4-x
Richard Mack is a former AZ sheriff who challenged the AWB all the way up to the Supreme Court and won. He and another sheriff from Ravalli county MT both believed that it was unconstitutional and should not be enforceable in their counties. They won under the grounds that the ban violated the 10th amendment.
The case respectively are Mack v. United States and Printz v. United States.
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11-06-2008, 13:42
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Richard Mack is a former AZ sheriff who challenged the AWB all the way up to the Supreme Court and won. He and another sheriff from Ravalli county MT both believed that it was unconstitutional and should not be enforceable in their counties. They won under the grounds that the ban violated the 10th amendment.
The case respectively are Mack v. United States and Printz v. United States.
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Personal feelings aside, you are misreading the cases.
All that was decided was that the US government could not force the local LE agencies to run the background check.
The remainder of the AWB was not heard.
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11-06-2008, 13:46
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Since Bush had indicated that he would sign an AWB and we have had a Dim congress for the last two years, I have been preparing in that time frame. I determined my requirements and have moved forward on them. AR Carbines in 5.56NATO, Glock 17's, and lots of ammo and mags for both. I have intentionally kept the ammo and mag variance to a minimum for logistical purposes. I have a limited budget which also helped drive that decision. I have also been building up my reloading capability. Ostensibly, I would like to be in a position to place an AR and G17 with 8 primary and 4 secondary mags in the hands of every member of my family capable of handling them. I am getting there.
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11-06-2008, 13:58
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I purchased a firearm Tuesday night (yes, election day) I literally was the last customer at 7:45 pm to get approval to take possession of the firearm.
The owner saw my "I voted sticker" on my fleece jacket and ask if I voted Obama or McCain to which I said "Are you kidding me, I wouldn't be here if I thought McCain had a chance to pull this off"
He gave me a discount of $50 and two boxes of 230 grain Hydrashocks to boot. 
He had not one single AR-15 in stock. Said that he'd sold them earlier in the day and put another order in with his distributor for several more M&Ps and Bushy's and a Sig 556.
It's going to get real silly, but I believe we have some more time to acquire what we want, but don't wait longer than a few months.
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