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Old 02-04-2010, 16:59   #25
cszakolczai
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That's the whole point I think you're missing, anyone can twist religion to justify violence, yet...Shari'ah Law demands violence, it's in accordance with the Qur'an - no twisting whatsoever. Shari'ah Law is on the side of extremism, don't take my word for it though, examine Shari'ah Law for yourself - The principle source of Shari'ah is the Qur'an itself. It is the Islamic source material for the muslims Law, confirmed by any number of ulema.
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GLOSSARY/SHARIA.HTM

It guides the muslim in every aspect of life - listen to this guy (00:10 - 01:22 - 01:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxjocm5fCc


This book pretty much covers Shar'iah, it is the book I quoted from in my previous posts - The Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Law - get one here:
http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave.../dp/0915957728


For the muslim, "it is imperative for every muslim to mold his or her life according to the teachings of the Qur'an. Our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "None of you can become a true believer until his desires become subordinate to what I have brought." and the true believers consider "the pathetic and disastrous condition of the Muslim Ummah throughout the world is due to the abandoning of the Qur'an by the Muslims. The attitude of indifference that we constantly show towards the last of the Allah's Revelations, along with our hypocritical lip-service, is tantamount to ridiculing it. Instead, we must clearly understand our responsibilities towards the Qur'an and try our very best in fulfilling them."
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...ah%2FLSELayout



The last of the Allah's Revelations (Medina) are what extremists are abiding by - Sayyid Qutb barely scratches the surface, if you really interested in reading the craziness, check out the writings of: Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa’d, Wakidi, and Ibn Taymiyyah. Qutb's ideas came from the early ulema:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=ac...6c79a56c95bda8


This too is a worthwhile read:

http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib...emistJihad.pdf
Again great links and information,
I think I was so adament about proving you wrong because of the first post you made where you used "therefore." I still defend my first initial point where I stated you couldnt link those 2 passages together. Yet, after all these posts and all this discussion and me really looking into the Qur'an and Sharia very deeply, I can see your point.

I still defend the fact that Islam teaches peace as well as stating violence, but I can definitely understand your points detailing where it does point out very obvious statements that can so easily be manipulated. I'm almost more inclined to call the Qur'an a poorly written book which was written for a time period and should have been left in that time period, rather then a book which all Muslims should follow completely without question.

I have access to the texts you've mentioned and as much as I can counter your statements with history and other passages, I think you make your point very well when it's realized that the extremists who read the Qur'an, do not look at anything else, other then what the book says. And if we look at the book at such a superficial level, then it can be stated that it is violent, and it calls for the killing of many people in the name of Islam. I don't look at the book in such a way because I am a history person, so I try and take into account what was written and where and why.

I'll fold on the river card, and I guess I owe you a drink.

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