State, local and jurisdictional-level actions related to gun-control (Post-Newtown)

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Pete

Maybe there would be more black conservatives if the NAA(Liberal)CP and the liberal black community didn't hammer them so hard.

You usually don't lump all people of one group into the same pile.

Is what black Americans want all that much different from other Americans want?

How much of the black middle class is invested in government jobs? I'm talking Post Office, Schools, City, County, State, Federal - et al and everything?

Is their voting D more because the D's promise to keep their jobs safe? Can it be that the blacks getting the EITC and max welfare benefits (as well as a shit pot load of whites) vote D because the D's promise to keep the gravy train rolling?

Years down the road when the train rolls over them they are going to be wondering just who's train it was that hit them - and blame Bush of course.

IME, blacks across the political spectrum will talk about the lives they're living and would like to live. Some will vent against the rampant douche baggery that influences all sorts of young people--regardless of race, class, gender, and cultural background. Some will express preferences for policies that fall into the wheelhouse of right of center political ideology.

At times, the discussion will then turn to what were the bad old days for some and the good old days for others. Because some conservatives often broadly paint the sixties as the latter and speak about "states' rights," the talk will go from being cautiously optimistic to guardedly cynical.

We who sit on the right side of the issues have very little control over how liberals think, act, talk, and walk. We have considerably more control over how we respond to this shrinking window of opportunity.

This past summer was brutal for many blacks living in Chicago. What might have happened--what might happen--if rather than chortling about memes of the Second City as a symbol of everything that's wrong about the Democratic Party, the president and his policies, and their constituents, the Republican Party and others had changed the tenor of the conversation to respectfully phrased questions. Does American liberalism work for citizens living in cities like Chicago? If existing gun control make you safer, then why all the shootings? Might you be better off if you owned a weapon and knew how to use it? And, have the president, the mayor of your fair city, and the Democratic Party more generally delivered?

A comment about the continuing allegation that many blacks vote for Democratic candidates because of the "gravy train." If this generalization is accurate, how is that behavior any different than that of any other demographic cohort? That is, who in America doesn't make political choices that do not serve his/her best interests as he/she perceives them? Rather than castigating blacks for doing what many other Americans do and then writing them off, how about making better, more persuasive arguments about how the GOP's policy preferences will benefit them?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

A comment about the continuing allegation that many blacks vote for Democratic candidates because of the "gravy train." If this generalization is accurate, how is that behavior any different than that of any other demographic cohort? That is, who in America doesn't make political choices that do not serve his/her best interests as he/she perceives them? Rather than castigating blacks for doing what many other Americans do and then writing them off, how about making better, more persuasive arguments about how the GOP's policy preferences will benefit them?

"America traditionally represents the greatest possiblity of someone's going from nothing to something. Why? In theory, if not practice, the government stays out of the way and lets individuals take risks and reap rewards or accept the consequences of failure. We call this capitalism-or at least, we used to."

Written by a black man who gets it, Larry Elder.

The opportunity is there for anyone who wants to capitalize on it, black or white.

[GratefulCitizen]

Gun control has a long history in this country.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...xperiment.html

Consider where gun control laws are the most strict.
What are the ethnic demographics of these locals?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Gun control has a long history in this country.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...xperiment.html

Consider where gun control laws are the most strict.
What are the ethnic demographics of these locals?

GC, it's counterproductive to point out the obvious. Ask Tony Blair. Heard much from him, lately?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...2/ukcrime.race

Tony Blair yesterday claimed the spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture. His remarks angered community leaders, who accused him of ignorance and failing to provide support for black-led efforts to tackle the problem.
One accused him of misunderstanding the advice he had been given on the issue at a Downing Street summit.

Black community leaders reacted after Mr Blair said the recent violence should not be treated as part of a general crime wave, but as specific to black youth. He said people had to drop their political correctness and recognise that the violence would not be stopped "by pretending it is not young black kids doing it".

It needed to be addressed by a tailored counter-attack in the same way as football hooliganism was reined in by producing measures aimed at the specific problem, rather than general lawlessness.

Mr Blair's remarks are at odds with those of the Home Office minister Lady Scotland, who told the home affairs select committee last month that the disproportionate number of black youths in the criminal justice system was a function of their disproportionate poverty, and not to do with a distinctive black culture.

Giving the Callaghan lecture in Cardiff, the prime minister admitted he had been "lurching into total frankness" in the final weeks of his premiership. He called on black people to lead the fight against knife crime. He said that "the black community - the vast majority of whom in these communities are decent, law abiding people horrified at what is happening - need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids".

Mr Blair said he had been moved to make his controversial remarks after speaking to a black pastor of a London church at a Downing Street knife crime summit, who said: "When are we going to start saying this is a problem amongst a section of the black community and not, for reasons of political correctness, pretend that this is nothing to do with it?" Mr Blair said there needed to be an "intense police focus" on the minority of young black Britons behind the gun and knife attacks. The laws on knife and gun gangs needed to be toughened and the ringleaders "taken out of circulation".

Last night, British African-Caribbean figures leading the fight against gang culture condemned Mr Blair's speech. The Rev Nims Obunge, chief executive of the Peace Alliance, one of the main organisations working against gang crime, denounced the prime minister.

Mr Obunge, who attended the Downing Street summit chaired by Mr Blair in February, said he had been cited by the prime minister: "He makes it look like I said it's the black community doing it. What I said is it's making the black community more vulnerable and they need more support and funding for the work they're doing. ... He has taken what I said out of context. We came for support and he has failed and has come back with more police powers to use against our black children."

Keith Jarrett, chair of the National Black Police Association, whose members work with vulnerable youngsters, said: "Social deprivation and delinquency go hand in hand and we need to tackle both. It is curious that the prime minister does not mention deprivation in his speech."

Lee Jasper, adviser on policing to London's mayor, said: "For years we have said this is an issue the black community has to deal with. The PM is spectacularly ill-informed if he thinks otherwise.

"Every home secretary from [David] Blunkett onwards has been pressed on tackling the growing phenomenon of gun and gang crime in deprived black communities, and government has failed to respond to what has been a clear demand for additional resources to tackle youth alienation and disaffection".

The Home Office has already announced it is looking at the possibility of banning membership of gangs, tougher enforcement of the supposed mandatory five-year sentences for possession of illegal firearms, and lowering the age from 21 to 18 for this mandatory sentence.

Answering questions later Mr Blair said: "Economic inequality is a factor and we should deal with that, but I don't think it's the thing that is producing the most violent expression of this social alienation.

"I think that is to do with the fact that particular youngsters are being brought up in a setting that has no rules, no discipline, no proper framework around them."

Some people working with children knew at the age of five whether they were going to be in "real trouble" later, he said.

Mr Blair is known to believe the tendency for many black boys to be raised in families without a father leads to a lack of appropriate role models.

He said: "We need to stop thinking of this as a society that has gone wrong - it has not - but of specific groups that for specific reasons have gone outside of the proper lines of respect and good conduct towards others and need by specific measures to be brought back into the fold."

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[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Written by a black man who gets it, Larry Elder.

IMO, this type of formulation "I know of a black man/woman who agrees with me" is of increasingly limited utility.

The spectrum of political discourse in the black community is at least as diverse as it is in other parts of American society. "Getting it" is not about cherry picking and nodding approvingly at those who agree. To me, "getting it" is about being able to engage individuals across that spectrum effectively.

YMMV.

As for posts #125 and #126, in the aftermath of Newtown, Latinos have raised the argument that mass shootings in America are most often perpetuated by Anglos. They assert that it is the distinct culture of whites that accounts for the violence.

How about that.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

They assert that it is the distinct culture of whites that accounts for the violence.

How about that.

No argument here.
White liberals are all about defenseless victim zones.

How about that.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

IMO, this type of formulation "I know of a black man/woman who agrees with me" is of increasingly limited utility.

The spectrum of political discourse in the black community is at least as diverse as it is in other parts of American society. "Getting it" is not about cherry picking and nodding approvingly at those who agree. To me, "getting it" is about being able to engage individuals across that spectrum effectively.

YMMV.

As for posts #125 and #126, in the aftermath of Newtown, Latinos have raised the argument that mass shootings in America are most often perpetuated by Anglos. They assert that it is the distinct culture of whites that accounts for the violence.

How about that.

LOL, what a joke.... guess how many mexicans had their heads removed in just the last few years and how many have been murdered in mexico.... what is it now sixty thousand?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

The spectrum of political discourse in the black community is at least as diverse as it is in other parts of American society. "Getting it" is not about cherry picking and nodding approvingly at those who agree. To me, "getting it" is about being able to engage individuals across that spectrum effectively.

I'd bet that most blacks think Benghazi is a man. Black spokesmen like Larry Elder, Allen Keyes, Allen West and others stand out because they do "get it". If they "got it", then why did over 90 percent of blacks vote for Obama?

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I'd bet that most blacks think Benghazi is a man.

He's a woman!?

Pat

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by PSM

He's a woman!?

Pat

Not now, Tippy.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Not now, Tippy.

Well, obviously. Geez.

Pat

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Dusty

GC, it's counterproductive to point out the obvious. Ask Tony Blair. Heard much from him, lately?

To be clear, the point I was trying to make was that gun control has its roots in suppressing minorities.
It still seems to be used towards this end.

If certain large cities allowed legal access to weapons, the populations would be able to defend themselves better.
This is the first step in escaping a dependent mindset.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

To be clear, the point I was trying to make was that gun control has its roots in suppressing minorities.
It still seems to be used towards this end.

If certain large cities allowed legal access to weapons, the populations would be able to defend themselves better.
This is the first step in escaping a dependent mindset.

Certainly is.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

To be clear, the point I was trying to make was that gun control has its roots in suppressing minorities.
It still seems to be used towards this end.

If certain large cities allowed legal access to weapons, the populations would be able to defend themselves better.
This is the first step in escaping a dependent mindset.

Point made in my view. Some time ago, before evil polymer (and Hi-Point), the efforts to eradicate the wicked "Saturday Night Special" - a short-barreled .38 revolver - had a collateral impact on minorities. In its day, it was simply an affordable & functioning weapon of choice for those who weren't into engraved 1911's. Another option to be denied them, and the aspiring despot does not consider 2nd & 3rd order effects of their actions on others unless it is in their burgeoning interest.

Escaping the dependent mindset is tough & also starts with states refusing programs that get barbed tenterhooks into their domain under the cover-sheet of money. It ain't easy; often the only way to do it is to cut off the barb and pull the the rest of the thing through. Painful, but it works. Here, bite down on the stick.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

If certain large cities allowed legal access to weapons, the populations would be able to defend themselves better.

I suspect if that were the case, they would have to on a more regular basis.

Richard