Feinsteins Gun Control Bill

[Old Dog New Trick]

Question.

Since the end of the AWB (2004), how many "assault" rifles have been used to commit a mass murder (federal gov. says that's more than four killed) shooting spree in the U.S.?

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Unless you arm teachers I don't see a solution. . .

Let's call out the Guard!

Title 10 my ass for the next 4 years in the Little Dude's school. Cuz that's when I hit MRA. Beats the Sh!t out of the embedded trainer mission I'm up for (F Me.) I'm in this for the points now!
Seriously, when I got back from A-stan and MRFL had moved us to the middle of the Big Flat Part I went looking for a NG unit. I walked into an armory and found a certificate of appreciation from GARMISH. Seems the boys from Illinois secured the Zugpitz and the Patton Hotel from the terrorists.

I looked at that and thought, "No sh!t? Daddy's home".
So it COULD happen again I hope, I hope, I hope.

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Question.

Since the end of the AWB (2004), how many "assault" rifles have been used to commit a mass murder (federal gov. says that's more than four killed) shooting spree in the U.S.?

In the last week? At least one. Check this out. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-shootings-map Scroll down a couple of inches to the map.

[orion5]

MSG Paul Howe weighs in from the piney woods of east Texas. [LINK]

He recommends training school officers who have the right mindset, but not arming all teachers.

[Old Dog New Trick]

In the 25 mass murders since 2004 (which actually started in 2005) I can only find reference to four shootings that used an AWB banned weapon. Two AKs and two ARs, a couple tactical shotguns, all the rest were carried out with pistols. Although some (a few) of the pistols had high or very high capacity magazines.

I don't know what kind of point I'm trying to make, but it would seem that "Assault Weapons" are rarely used and account for less than 1 in 5 mass murders or spree shootings.

Less than 2% of all homicides/suicides occure with a weapon that was listed on the AWB.

There were other findings of "Assault Weapons" used to commit murder but they were single accounts or same weapon used over time (D.C. sniper) where they were probably just a poor choice and any rifle would do.

I suppose it doesn't matter much, the pantywaists in congress are going to go after black guns and magazines over 10-rds and they will soon become collectors items and rarely seen outside a Three Gun Competition Match.

Sad, how far we have fallen...

[Damocles]

The fact that this is such a huge national crisis is disturbing to me. We are being manipulated. These individuals are seeking control, and they care not about mass murders. Their provocation of this national argument is simply a means to an end. This movement is not fueled by reason, but by fear. They are teaching us to fear each other. They rely on the general stupidity of the flock.

They are trying to draw the American peoples' freedoms into the KZ, and we are letting them, slowly but surely.

Smoke and mirrors, friends. Smoke and mirrors.



I very seriously doubt that I would be anywhere near as successful as TS when they come to take my freedom, but it wont be for lack of heart.


Be safe.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Unfortunately, the Republicans seem to be too stupid to even be aware of the arguments against it. They only seem to be against it because of their constituents, and make ridiculous-sounding arguments about a slippery-slope and so forth. No, the argument against it is that it's a blatantly stupid law. And the NRA unfortunately seems to be too stupid to know how to portray themselves in a nice way and make the argument as well.

No question there are some stupid people out there & they get quoted when convenient. Look who's convenient.

Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said he was at a loss for words after hearing the proposal.

"I don’t even know where to begin," he said on msnbc. "As a supporter of the Second Amendment and a supporter of the NRA — even though I’m not a member of the NRA — I just found it very haunting and very disturbing that our country now is talking about arming our teachers and our principals in classrooms."

So for Michael Steele a concept is haunting but the hunting down & murder of cowering children isn't. Screw him.

Still, I'd suggest giving some consideration that the problem may also lie on the distant-end.
Gent I know works as an addiction counselor over at the VA reminds me of the difficulty of getting an irrational person to make a rational, fact-based decision. And, make no mistake, 18 seconds of this blathering is what much of an emotional populace makes its decisions on.

No LaPierre fan here but critiquing the messenger gets no traction. Facts are gonna have to be presented and I believe he did make some specific examples - putting import on the presentation doesn't leave him enough time for the week-long filibuster it would take to cover all the media's errors.

[The Reaper]

This bill will not just cover "assault weapons" or some arbitrary number of rounds per magazine you will be permitted to own.

The opportunity is there and the Dims are ready to strike.

This proposed bill will also include an end to private sales and face to face transfers of firearms, a ban on internet sales of ammunition, etc.

And the representatives we have elected, in conjunction with the mainstream media, and going to cooperate in the gutting of the Second amendment to the US Constitution. One down, 26 to go.

Nanny knows best for the sheeple.

TR

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

And the representatives we have elected, in conjunction with the mainstream media, and going to cooperate in the gutting of the Second amendment to the US Constitution. One down, 26 to go.

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it." - Sen. Feinstein, at passage of the last AWB

I'm sure she's mellowed in the intervening years.
Probably good for her that she didn't have to articulate the mechanics of how that would've happened.

[kgoerz]

I can't believe they are going to spend millions of dollars to do research on why people own guns. The reason most people own assault weapons. We know it keeps the Government in check. I work on a Range. Last thing I want to do on my time off is go shooting.
That outside agency they are going to use. It's just a bunch of their cronies who are retired. They will award them a big Gov. contract to do the study. It's absolutely criminal how the govt. rips off the people to help themselves.

[GratefulCitizen]

Why do people need assault weapons?
Because they're much more effective than torches and pitchforks.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

One maybe good thing is that Obama appointed a commission, and usually, when someone assigns a commission in Washington to address something, it's a way of saying that nothing concrete will be done. However, Obama promised that this will not be a typical Washington commission, so who knows.

I am hoping you are wrong on those things though.

Washington should lead by example and turn in all their assault weapons, make all the police agencies that bought assault weapons with federal grants turn them in too. And all the politicians with a CCW should turn in their guns and release their government provided and private security forces so they can truly represent the American people. (And, no I'm not going to put that in pink!)

[DIYPatriot]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Washington should lead by example and turn in all their assault weapons, make all the police agencies that bought assault weapons with federal grants turn them in too.

If what this article seems to suggest is true, they definitely seem to be gathering info in order to make a move to lower capacity mags on the law-abiding citizens (and not just our AR's). Meanwhile, the thugs will continue to out-gun us. Ironically, the article only reflects magazine counts in our LEO's standard issue .40, not how many rounds they carry in their issued AR's & shotguns.

Link

The first meeting of Vice President Joe Biden's working group on gun control included a conference call with a dozen mayors.

"There are some things we can immediately do," said Biden. "And we're going to need your help," he added.

I can only wonder which mayors were part of that discussion.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by DIYPatriot

I can only wonder which mayors were part of that discussion.

Here's a rogue's gallery to pick from. Just a guess.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by Damocles

The fact that this is such a huge national crisis is disturbing to me. We are being manipulated. These individuals are seeking control, and they care not about mass murders. Their provocation of this national argument is simply a means to an end. This movement is not fueled by reason, but by fear. They are teaching us to fear each other. They rely on the general stupidity of the flock.

You DON'T see a score of Kindergarteners killed with multiple gunshots in a matter of minutes is a huge national crisis? That's disturbing to me.
As for the rest of your post -- maintaining control, not caring about mass murder, this being a means to an end, arguments based on fear, teaching fear . . .
Are you talking about the NRA?

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

You DON'T see a score of Kindergarteners killed with multiple gunshots in a matter of minutes is a huge national crisis? That's disturbing to me.
As for the rest of your post -- maintaining control, not caring about mass murder, this being a means to an end, arguments based on fear, teaching fear . . .
Are you talking about the NRA?

Ummm - NO, I don't. To be blunt, while it is an incredible tragedy for those directly involved and my prayers go out to those families, it's a pimple on an elephant's ass when looked at from a national perspective. It isn't a symptom of "out of control guns", it's a symptom of a disasterously inadequate mental health system.

Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control. And this tragedy is another opportunity for the Left to exploit a crisis, whipping up their base into a frenzy to advance their control agenda. I don't need the NRA to explain Soviet population control methods to me; the Army was kind enough to teach me everything required 30 years ago. The technology may have advanced making it easier to identify and oppress dissent; however, the base principles have not changed.

Personally, I'm tired of having my rights stripped from me by statists, sheep, and assorted physical/moral cowards who want to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the real problems.