Feinsteins Gun Control Bill

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by WCH

So, do you really believe that your "solution" works with mentally ill people?

It only works if they were Boy Scouts first.....

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Schools that look like Super-Max prisons? In addition to keeping bad people in aren't prisons supposed to be an unpleasant place?
Why should my kid or any other kid or any teacher or administrator or staff or volunteer have to suffer that sort of environment for the sake of safety?

Agreed - So lets work on some solutions.

[SomethingWitty]

Is everyone looking for a solution to a problem that is impossible to predict, and is impossible to measure whether or not it is effective on a systematic basis?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by MR2

Agreed - So lets work on some solutions.

Unless you arm teachers I don't see a solution.

Armed security will cost billions as some schools are huge and would take a dozen or so armed individuals to make it seem safe.

Cops are minutes away from all the schools but most lack the training and mindset to charge into an active shooter situation. Does anyone think some security guard that could not join the police and being paid less than a cop is going to charge headlong into an active shooter situation?

And making the schools into a supermax is also not the answer. The more physical obstacles schools put in place also slow down any LEO response that takes place. Most of these shootings last a few minutes too short a time for some 300lb security guard to run across most schools.

There are three types of bad people, criminals, crazies and crusaders . Your average criminal is not the type to perpetrate this sort of crime.

So you have crazies and crusaders. Crusaders will plan out an attack for months and an armed security guard or even the police will not stop them.

All of these school shootings have one thing in common, they were all done by crazies.

How many "millions" of Americans use "mind altering" prescriptions every day?

Add to that the number of Americans that use illegal mind altering drugs?

That number is in the millions. Only takes one to "snap" and do something horrific.

Arm the teachers against the crazies is my number one choice.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Unless you arm teachers I don't see a solution.

[ODA 226]

Originally Posted by trvlr

I believe the 2nd amendment was written to keep an armed and free populous in the US. I think they were right with banning the M2 for civilian use, but I fear that the planned end state for some of these politicians is an America where all guns but flintlocks are outlawed.

You are absolutely wrong here! Eventually, they will come for your flintlock too.

[bubba]

My questions......... considering who is likely to be reading this is............ just who the hell is/are "they"............... and what are "they" going to "do" when people do NOT comply with whatever confiscation plans "they" cook up.............

[ODA 226]

"We" will know who "They" are very soon.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by bubba

My questions......... considering who is likely to be reading this is............ just who the hell is/are "they"............... and what are "they" going to "do" when people do NOT comply with whatever confiscation plans "they" cook up.............

Confiscate my guns, I don't think so.

You'll know who "they" are when I'm standing in a pool of their blood having a cup of coffee.

[Ambush Master]

Attached is a pdf of the transcript.

[Oldrotorhead]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

It only works if they were Boy Scouts first.....

An not named Charlie Whitman.

[booker]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Confiscate my guns, I don't think so.

You'll know who "they" are when I'm standing in a pool of their blood having a cup of coffee.

They'll end up with the remains of the revenuers if they try to confiscate anything in these hollows. I don't think anyone in their right mind would even try. Hell, they can't even find census people to go up in those places.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

1) Republicans forced to sign a bill that the Democrats attach all sorts of anti-gun legislation to

At this stage I don't think the Republicans - as if that actually means a vote against a gun-control bill - will be forced into anything as a part of some financial bill. I think there are plenty who will be complicit in a new & improved gun bill standing all by itself. New Senators are an easy-sell because they'll have 6 years to obfuscate; Reps' cycle is 1/3 that and they don't want to be painted as dancing in the blood of children when they campaign in 2014.

Just a gut view, I don't think they've got the balls, figurative or literal to have a fact-based discussion. You can listen to both sides - regardless of the starting point of their perspective - they are more concerned with how approach 'x' would play, rather than whether it actually does something.

I'm for speeding up that part of the cycle that gets to the shooter being dead on the ground; commisserate about the social aspects later while parents hug their (still alive) kids.

[GratefulCitizen]

If the Feds want to do something they can exempt income gained working as school security from the Social Security "cap".
(There's a limit to how much money you can make while drawing Social Security).

You could afford multiple retirees for the price of one school resource officer.
Probably a large supply of grandmas and grandpas would be willing to take the job.

Remember that we're trying to deter crazies rather than stop trained killers.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

If the Feds want to do something they can exempt income gained working as school security from the Social Security "cap".
(There's a limit to how much money you can make while drawing Social Security).

You could afford multiple retirees for the price of one school resource officer.
Probably a large supply of grandmas and grandpas would be willing to take the job.

Remember that we're trying to deter crazies rather than stop trained killers.

Throw in Medicare for those of us who took retirement before our "full retirement age" and I'm down.