12-21-2009, 10:38
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
I'll bet a case of beer they don't go to MC.
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I don't like the odds on that bet. Adopting ACU Delta will be a political face-saving move with our current abortion of a camo pattern painted as "almost right" and a "step in the right direction that just needed tweaking".
If the Army pics MC over ACU Delta, I'll be more than a little surprised.
Somehow I don't see the Brits needing to change their camo again in a couple of years down the road.
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12-21-2009, 12:18
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#107
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DPM
Lately I have been on another web site with mostly British active duty and retired who want two things to happen:
1) Keep the DPM
and...
2) Bring back the FN FAL (SLR/L1A1)
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12-21-2009, 12:23
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#108
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Just as a point of interest, Multi Terrain type camo is what is needed. If you make only a desert pattern and move very far at all you could move through arid and then semi arid to forested. What do you do, change uniforms as you move?
That is what the Big Army is looking at now to replace the crap called ACU. The digital stuff does not work. Multi Cam maybe the choice but this time it will be properly tested and vetted.
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12-21-2009, 14:56
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#109
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Letter to SecDef & CJCS
I thought this was interesting and didn't see it posted.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im.../16/letter.pdf
Above is a letter dated 10 Dec from Reps Skelton & Ortiz addressed to SecDef & CJCS querying soldiers' complaints related to:
Rucks
Training (cites soldiers going from BCT to warzone)
ACU (cites MC)
M4 (asks what SOF are using)
Last edited by lindy; 12-21-2009 at 15:08.
Reason: fixed link
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12-21-2009, 15:06
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#110
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Originally Posted by lindy
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Your link is defective (has duplicated 'httphttp' and has the '://' misplaced. Looks like a paste typo.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/im.../16/letter.pdf
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02-22-2010, 19:53
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#111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorro
Recent directive issued to us regarding uniforms:
"Wear what makes sense."
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Exactly how it should be...within reason, of course.
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04-09-2010, 04:08
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#112
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Camo defined
The problem is that people now tie camoflage to a uniform standard instead of a force protection measure. Sadly this includes some SOF units. So much for "smarter not harder."
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04-12-2010, 15:24
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MC or UCPDelta either are an improvement over what is issued currently. I have been slowly kitting myself with MC over the last 6 month's. I had MC in Afghanistan when I was there though not issued myself and many other Pathfinders were using it.
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04-13-2010, 21:34
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Multicam
I have used MC for a couple of years and it works extremely well in different terrains; grass, high/low desert, forest. If you don't move, near or far (no black outline in the distance), it blends perfectly. Saves in planning and terrain movement selection. Only wish they made it in quieter materials.
I think, not positive, that the military passed on it just before the first digi's came out, the reason being price. (probably because they already spent so much on the digital crap). They should of let the Quiet Professionals test it themselves, then we wouldn't be seeing squares all the time
My .02
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04-20-2010, 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JMonty
Exactly how it should be...within reason, of course.
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So... I probably should not come to my team with my kit in this new pattern i found?
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04-21-2010, 04:53
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I think that counts as telling.
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04-21-2010, 05:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Koa18B
So... I probably should not come to my team with my kit in this new pattern i found?
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It depends - is your primary AO music conerts for teenage girls? You'd fit right in there...
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04-21-2010, 17:05
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#118
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Maybe I missed it in the reading where it this is answered, but are these uniforms supposed to completely replace the ACU or is it just for troops to use in Afghan?
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04-21-2010, 17:47
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It is to replace the failed ACU pattern, that was a mistake made by a snap judgment. I will leave it at that. 
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04-21-2010, 21:15
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#120
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Quote:
Originally Posted by longrange1947
It is to replace the failed ACU pattern, that was a mistake made by a snap judgment. I will leave it at that. |
snap judgement indeed
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