Where's Bin Ladin?

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Ten bucks says it just audio.......

bin laden is dead.......

For those that don't think bin laden is eating pork ribs in hell riddle me this, it's just as easy to smuggle out "Audio & Video" as it is "audio". Besides audio/video would be a whole lot more powerful for the spineless cowards watching.

bin laden is dead.......[/url]

Greetings...

Fact:
If TS, (and other QP's) say OBL is dead...He is DEAD!

Just my humble .02...

Holly

[Team Sergeant]

I'm sure the book will soon be written by the Special Forces A-Team that killed bin laden informing the world that he is in fact dead and that the "SOF team" dalton fury led was actually a diversion to "scare" bin laden into the waiting Special Forces soldiers that in fact killed him.

We've not seen an actual bin laden "audio-video" since 2002 and I think the Occam's Razor theory applies here, bin laden is dead. Killed by some barrel chested freedom fighters known around the world as "The Green Berets".

Team Sergeant

[LR27]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I'm sure the book will soon be written by the Special Forces A-Team that killed bin laden informing the world that he is in fact dead and that the "SOF team" dalton fury led was actually a diversion to "scare" bin laden into the waiting Special Forces soldiers that in fact killed him.

We've not seen an actual bin laden "audio-video" since 2002 and I think the Occam's Razor theory applies here, bin laden is dead. Killed by some barrel chested freedom fighters known around the world as "The Green Berets".

Team Sergeant

I respect your opinion.

If the A-Team did in fact kill him, why wasn't it confirmed? Was it by air-strike? Is this confirmed within the SF community or is it your personal belief?

Just attempting to pick your brain, as this subject consumes me. By asking questions, I am not attempting to disrespect you or discredit your theory.

Thanks.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by LongRange27

I respect your opinion.

If the A-Team did in fact kill him, why wasn't it confirmed? Was it by air-strike? Is this confirmed within the SF community or is it your personal belief?

Just attempting to pick your brain, as this subject consumes me. By asking questions, I am not attempting to disrespect you or discredit your theory.

Thanks.

Did you read the entire thread?

There's lots of reasons not to "confirm" that cowards death, not by our hand anyway.

After you read the whole therad let me know, we'll discuss it again....

TS

edit to add: LongRange27, you seem interested, riddle me this, in an age of flash drives, and digital audio/video, WHY does "osama the coward" only smuggle out "audio" for the world to hear? If you are going to "risk you life" to smuggle out your rantings why not audio/video? Simple, because bin laden is very dead and someone esle is doing the talking. There has not been a video of him talking since 2002, only audio. ALL the other tapes no one could confirm the dates because he didn't speak of anything current. He's dead.

2nd and most importantly, bin laden was no where to be seen when we marched into Iraq, no where. He should have been doing a video a day to boost the morale of his idiot followers as we were killing 10's of thousands, not one peep from osama the coward. Because he's dead.

3 you constantly hear from his #2 coward all the time, audio and video, ever wonder why? They're supposed to be hiding together, so WHY would it be "less" dangerous for #2 to do audio video and #1 to only do audio? Because #1 is dead.

We can go on and on but I'm sure you get my drift. Why we don't tell the world, I can think of quite a few reasons as well as why al quada doesnt tell the world their leader is dead.

Your turn, convince me he's alive.

TS

[LR27]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Did you read the entire thread?

There's lots of reasons not to "confirm" that cowards death, not by our hand anyway.

After you read the whole therad let me know, we'll discuss it again....

TS

edit to add: LongRange27, you seem interested, riddle me this, in an age of flash drives, and digital audio/video, WHY does "osama the coward" only smuggle out "audio" for the world to hear? If you are going to "risk you life" to smuggle out your rantings why not audio/video? Simple, because bin laden is very dead and someone esle is doing the talking. There has not been a video of him talking since 2002, only audio. ALL the other tapes no one could confirm the dates because he didn't speak of anything current. He's dead.

2nd and most importantly, bin laden was no where to be seen when we marched into Iraq, no where. He should have been doing a video a day to boost the morale of his idiot followers as we were killing 10's of thousands, not one peep from osama the coward. Because he's dead.

3 you constantly hear from his #2 coward all the time, audio and video, ever wonder why? They're supposed to be hiding together, so WHY would it be "less" dangerous for #2 to do audio video and #1 to only do audio? Because #1 is dead.

We can go on and on but I'm sure you get my drift. Why we don't tell the world, I can think of quite a few reasons as well as why al quada doesnt tell the world their leader is dead.

Your turn, convince me he's alive.

TS

TS,

Good points. It is very hard to argue against that because some questions just can't be answered unless I have a TS/SCI clearance and I am in Waziristan actually looking for him and his buddies. When I get to that point, which I will, we'll talk again...

I am not actually taking a side of dead or alive, rather, I am trying to get all the opinions I can from knowledgeable sources. Bush says he's alive, the Agency says he's alive, and we still have a large group of resources out there looking for him, so that's all I really have to go on at this point. I agree that I can definitely see the benefits of Al-Qaeda saying he is alive. But I can also think of a very good reason AQ would want us to think he is dead: no more BLU's to ruin their cave parties.

But the only reason I still have my doubts is I would think a third party would confirm his death, such as the ISI or Afghan govt, people who are sick of our presence in the region and want to question why we are still there if he is in fact dead. And I would think someone besides Dalton Fury that was on site when he was killed would write about it and stop the lies.

You have a good argument, and I have no way of convincing you he is alive. I would just like to see a body so I don't waste my time chasing a ghost.

[emoore]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

He should have been doing a video a day to boost the morale of his idiot followers
TS

That reason alone convinced me years ago that the POS was dead.

[greenberetTFS]

Hey Guys,I don't know if he's alive or dead....However,he just sent out a message to BHO. Has any one else seen it on CBS late news?

GB TFS

[civilian]

Originally Posted by LongRange27

Why do you believe he is in Iran? Most reports indicate he went east, not west. Most of Al-Qaeda are Sunni Baluchi fundamentalists, whereas the majority of Iran's government are Shi'a moderates, less conservative reformers of Islam. It is highly unlikely they would be working in conjunction, as their ideologies are starkly conflicting.

Remember the saying "The enemy of enemy is my friend"! Iran could care less less if OBL was Morman after what he pulled off on 9/11. I think he looks weak and looks like shit and that is why OBL only sends out audio. Important that the video not provide any clue that our anaylists might pick up on. Good friend of mine who retired as an operator in 04 thinks OBL is dead and they might have software to take bits of his voice and stream them into a message. I don't think so at all. I really believe he is being hosted in Iran which is the safest place he could be. Again, my theory is that a condition of Iran hosting him, they controll what gets out to the media. I posted the other day that I was surprised OBL hadn't commented on the Gaza battle and within a few days we have another audio tape. I just don't think he could feel safe in Pakistan. Why would he want to stay in Pakistan anyway. It's just their FOB and he can't meet with any of his operational folks anyway. I bet he has most of his family in Iran and they live in a tightly controlled compound. He gets medical care and protection but Iran controlls the tapes and messages that get sent out. Keeping OBL alive, helps divert less focus on Iran building nukes. Which by the was Saddam would had to start doing to match Iran. we ought to make wagers and let team srgt hold the money until we get a winner.

Just my opinion.

[LR27]

Originally Posted by civilian

Remember the saying "The enemy of enemy is my friend"! Iran could care less less if OBL was Morman after what he pulled off on 9/11.

The Middle East has history of this. But Iran would not risk a US invasion just to support some thug that attacked America. Especially when they don't have the same long term ideals or religious beliefs.

The best article I have read hands down on Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the 'Pashtun belt' is right here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/ma...1&pagewanted=1

I believe bin Laden is one of the those 'important Arabs' in the hills.

[MeC86]

Longrange is right...Its too risky for Iran to host him in their country. Relations with the US and Iran are already on thin ice as it is. The discovery that OBL is living there and being supported by them would be disastrous for Iran.

I think TS is right....hes dead.

[afchic]

I think he is dead, but to say that he is not in Iran, because the Iranians wouldn't risk our ire, is crazy in my opinion. The Iranians could care less what we think.

It would be more like the Iranians to rub it in our face that he is there, and then hope we would try to do something about it. How many times in the past couple of years have they tried to instigate something with us?

[Comsmith22]

His Latest Tape makes look like the old son-of-a-brick is still kicking...
in bad shape...
but still a pain in our 4th POC

[Pete]

Here is the link to the story Commsmith22 was REing

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6653678&page=1

[civilian]

Originally Posted by LongRange27

The Middle East has history of this. But Iran would not risk a US invasion just to support some thug that attacked America. Especially when they don't have the same long term ideals or religious beliefs.

The best article I have read hands down on Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the 'Pashtun belt' is right here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/ma...1&pagewanted=1

I believe bin Laden is one of the those 'important Arabs' in the hills.

Seriously now! Iran is not at all worried about a US invasion. Don't underestimate our enemy. They know we have our hands full in Iraq and Afghanistan. Politically, with the new administration coming in, Iran knows all to well Obama hasn't the frist clue when it comes to anything military and he hasn't supported our efforts in Iraq. An invasion in Iran would undo almost everything we have achieved in blood and money in Iraq and undermine PM/President Malki. Iran stopped worrying about us before the election. So many of our esteemed congressman and senators, thought it was wise to do a 180 after they orginally supported the decision to invade Iraq. Yeap! Iranians are kicking back smiling knowing they're in good shape knowing we won't allow Israel to take out the nuke sites, we lack the political will with the anti-war left in power to either stike or invade them. With Shia in control of Iraq, Iran's proxy forces in Lebanon and Gaza pretty much holding those governments hostage, they are in great shape sad to say. The Iranians really couldn't be doing any better! Is it really that difficult to hide OBL and his bitches in a compound when they have the means and will to do so? Hosting OBL keeps us busy looking for him and stirring things up in Gaza helps deflect attention from their nuclear ambitions. Mark my words, Iran and probably China will test Obama soon after he builds his basketball court in the Whitehouse.

Question? If the pork eat'en OBL isn't dead then how are they making the audio tapes that appear to address current events. Technology? Like to hear some possible theories.

I think he is very much alive! There is no proof and I am not aware of any evidence to suggest it. OBL went underwater for 3 years after Tora Bora and didn't resurface until days before the 2004 elections handing Bush the election. Way to go OBL! You gave our guys 4 more years to crush your ass in Iraq with Sunnies turning against them. 4 more years of taking the fight to them in Afganistan and Pak.

[LR27]

Originally Posted by civilian

Seriously now! Iran is not at all worried about a US invasion. Don't underestimate our enemy. They know we have our hands full in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We weren't always bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You think Iran harbored him after Tora Bora, well that's 2002, and we weren't in Iraq. I don't know how good your geography is, but all we would have to do is push west from Afghanistan and topple Tehran.

The radical Ahmadinejad wasn't president then. And he doesn't even make those kinds of decisions to harbor bin Laden, the Supreme Leader does. The risk is far greater than the reward for Iran. They like him alive because he is a thorn in our side, but they are not going to put their population at risk for him.

To Pete and all QP's about the above link:

Don't you think it is possible one of bin Laden's lieutenants told him to stop producing visual videos because our MSM leaked the fact that our intel agencies use scientists to examine the terrain behind him to determine his location? Just a thought...