02-15-2004, 20:56
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This
ain't the answer to this
The question wasn't "What does the Constitution protect us from?"
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You're right. Oops.
Now that I think I have the issue corrected in my mind, I think you guys are wasting time looking at the preamble. There is express power for this in Article I, Section 8, clause 3: Congress has the power to "[t]o regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
The Constitution doesn't say what policy should be, just that Congress has the power to set policy in that area.
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02-15-2004, 20:57
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Aren't we touchy today. More poodle trouble?
I don't follow. Are you telling me that low tar cigarettes aren't less harmful? That light beer doesn't have fewer calories? The latter in particular will piss me off, as I just made the painful switch.
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No.
Advertising. Light cigarettes less harmful? Maybe. But the implication when they first came out was they were ok. They didn't say "Your ass will still get cancer, only it will take longer." They emphasized the "less" and people bought it. I know people that think because they smoke a half a cigareete, they cut their chances of having health problems in half - that came from lights and shorter cigarettes. "Well, if I only smoke half of a light, I stand a 75% less chance of having a problem." Tabacco industry doesn't care, they charge more and you still have to buy the whole pack. The only impact I ever saw was when the surgeon general's warning came out. Now, I don't agree with being able to sue now, after the warnings, but before yes. Who did that, the gobermint.
Do you drink more light beer than you did regular beer? How do you KNOW it has less calories? because the gobermint made them put the info on the cans. that wasn't a consumer thing, it was legislated. And you still don't know for sure. Why did you switch?
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02-15-2004, 20:58
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Correct NDD. I worded my sentence incredibly awkward. My mistake. I am a rookie at setting verbal ambushes. By the time I realized how confused the question sounded, RL had already answered with what I was trying to lead someone into saying. 
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02-15-2004, 20:59
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No, you two are working together against me. trying to trip me up and what not. 
As a matter of fact, why did they even come up with light cigarettes and beer? Consumer demand?
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02-15-2004, 21:00
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Do you drink more light beer than you did regular beer? How do you KNOW it has less calories? because the gobermint made them put the info on the cans. that wasn't a consumer thing, it was legislated. And you still don't know for sure. Why did you switch?
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I probably drink less because I don't like the taste as much. I don't "KNOW" it has fewer calories, but it would be false advertising to market it that way if it's not true. While there has been legislation, there was movement in that direction based solely on market forces. (Remember "less filling?")
I switched because I'm fat. 
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02-15-2004, 21:03
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No, you two are working together against me. trying to trip me up and what not.
As a matter of fact, why did they even come up with light cigarettes and beer? Consumer demand?
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We could use some more help, I think. Spectre and a couple of A teams would be good. LOL
Yes, consumer demand. Are they selling this low-carb Michelob down there? How about the Carl's Jr. low-carb six-dollar burger?
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02-15-2004, 21:06
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Why do they care about false advertising? Do you really think people will change brands of beer because Miller lied about how many calories are in the can?
Market forces? You mean in this case advertising? Drinking light beer won't make you fat? I remember Light Beer coming out, what I don't remember is a consumer hue and cry for less filling. In fact, if I remember correctly, the original target audience was women.
If you buy the idea of diet beer (or soft drinks) or healthier cigarettes, I got this bridge...
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02-15-2004, 21:09
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Why do they care about false advertising?
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Because they'll get sued and have to pay for it. I know; I defend cases like this from time to time.
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Market forces? You mean in this case advertising? Drinking light beer won't make you fat? I remember Light Beer coming out, what I don't remember is a consumer hue and cry for less filling. In fact, if I remember correctly, the original target audience was women.
If you buy the idea of diet beer (or soft drinks) or healthier cigarettes, I got this bridge...
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I hear your sarcasm, but not any facts supporting your theory. That is not to say you're wrong, by the way. I'm listening. 
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02-15-2004, 21:10
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Yes, consumer demand. Are they selling this low-carb Michelob down there? How about the Carl's Jr. low-carb six-dollar burger?
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Consumer demand didn't cause the firsts, the first light beer, etc. In fact, nobody liked the crap at first. How do you know that you need low carb beer and hamburgers to be healthier?
How do you know German Lagerbrewmeister dark lager and fat sausagebatweinerwurst sandwiches on white bread with loads of mayo aren't healthier for you?
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02-15-2004, 21:11
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Because they'll get sued and have to pay for it. I know; I defend cases like this from time to time.
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Right, but to get sued first you have to break what? (Theoretically)
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02-15-2004, 21:13
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Consumer demand didn't cause the firsts, the first light beer, etc. In fact, nobody liked the crap at first. How do you know that you need low carb beer and hamburgers to be healthier?
How do you know German Lagerbrewmeister dark lager and fat sausagebatweinerwurst sandwiches on white bread with loads of mayo aren't healthier for you?
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You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what the truth is. It matters what people want. They want to be thinner, so "light" beer and diet soda will sell even if you're right that they don't accomplish what they are supposed to. Companies will make what they can sell.
You are not convincing me at all.
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02-15-2004, 21:16
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Right, but to get sued first you have to break what? (Theoretically)
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Not really. You can bring these claims on common law theories that go back to Coke and Blackstone.
(But nice try! )
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02-15-2004, 21:23
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Did you guys realize that this rant has now gotten so far off track that we are arguing "Taste great/less filling"? LOL
Classic.. we are about as effective as a UN session trying to decide on an issue.
On a more interesting note: RL change your avatar for me, please. LOL
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02-15-2004, 21:25
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On a more interesting note: RL change your avatar for me, please.
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Looks like he's trying to break his jaw. Why don't you use it?
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02-15-2004, 21:41
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Hey, where'd he go?
I'll be back later.
NDD: I've got new material in your AO too. Maybe one of them will catch on . . .
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