Are we at war with Islam?

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Is it? I take a little more simplistic view of all of this being just a simple soldier. The jihadists are the overt arm of this movement, those not visible fit nicely into the covert status of auxillary and underground. Even those "uncommitted to the cause" have a boot on their necks for witting or unwitting support. Those that are truly uncommitted are not happy about their brethern getting whacked and when it gets too personal will cross over in a heart beat. I am absolutely sure that their is not a Muslim anywhere that might have some value to the cause that is not in some data base to be tweked at the right time in the name of the cause.

Even I can follow this!

I guess that makes me a VERY simple soldier!

[GratefulCitizen]

Interesting rant germane to the thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Interesting rant germane to the thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA

Rant or reality?


(How did he get my notes)

[3SoldierDad]

Originally Posted by sg1987

It seems obvious to me that a Christian who is peaceful, loving, and tolerant of others is being obedient to his faith. A hate filled murderous Christian has departed from the teachings of Christ.

It also seems obvious to me to me that a Muslim that is zealous in the slaughter of infidels, who will not convert, is being obedient to his faith. A moderate Muslim who is tolerant of others has departed from his faith.

I generally agree with this statement and the reality troubles me.

Question - Why is our country compelling Israel to negotiate with an entire people that are committed to their destruction? Is Israel not a metaphor for our future? Would we negotiate with people who regularly fired rockets at us and celebrated with abandon over the slaughter of our innocents? The USA dealing with Fattah is a sham. Hamas was elected by the Palestinians. The entire Palestinian people either overtly or covertly seek the destruction of Israel. This people has chosen their fate. They love death and so they shall have it.

The problem isn't the settlements, either - Those are silly half measures. The Palestinian people should all be pushed into Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Forced out. The entire area used to be Trans Jordan - Jordan is Palestine. Pushing the Palestinians beyond the general reach of Greater Israel should have happened in 1967 if not sooner. Condi and Bush were wrong to compell Israel to surrender the Gaza to the Hamas thugs. Forced out - Any other nation on the planet would do the same. We did so with the Indians and they were mere distractions and pests in comparison to the Palestinians.

As I observe and from what I read, Islam - when it is practiced - converts people into animals - the more thorough their commitment the more hateful the animal. The religion controls its adherents with threats and fear - It herds them like goats - cowers them into silence. They say nothing, they do nothing against the thugs. The Koran is written in this manner and that is how Muhammad lived his life and practiced his religion. He ruled with the sword. The religion was embraced as a brutish means of intimidation and political survival among the various Arabian communities of the 7th century – It was Embrace Islam or die. It was also a flattering racism for the Arab people - Islam said they were chosen; they were special. Read any of Robert Spencer's material or visit http://jihadwatch.org/ Better yet, read the Koran – It’s a relatively short book. One won't get too far before the global manifesto becomes clear.

Where does this proposition lead? It may indeed lead to outlawing the religion entirely and to massive deportations. Outrageous you say? Will you think so when the riots arrive here in the U.S.? Or, will you think so when a "practicing Muslim" fulfills his or her duty with a WMD strike in one of our major cities? The only acceptable Islam that I feel comfortable having as my neighbor is an Islam that isn't practicied faithfully. And, how satisfactory is that?

To be frank, I'm not entirely comfortable with even a passive Islam when one considers the possibility that at any time my neighbors' children may decide to start practicing their religion...as we see it starting to be practiced in Europe; and as it has been practiced in and around Israel since the 1940s.

And, as it was practiced yesterday on our five soldiers in Baghdad.


Three Soldier Dad...Chuck


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[jbour13]

Originally Posted by 3SoldierDad

....... Forced out - Any other nation on the planet would do the same. We did so with the Indians and they were mere distractions and pests in comparison to the Palestinians. .........

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Drawing comparisons to American Indians and Palestinians is an Apples vs. Horse Apples comparison.

Yes the "history" of Palestine is one that isn't well understood, even by the people that claim association with it and the motherland.

This is my biggest heartache and hurdle to overcome....How do you educate a person on their religion, history and culture when you yourself are seen as an outsider. It's the mentality of I can call my family names but you can't.

[3SoldierDad]

Originally Posted by jbour13

Drawing comparisons to American Indians and Palestinians is an Apples vs. Horse Apples comparison.

Yep, it's awkward, I agree...But, the analogy is better than apples to oranges - At least we're dealing with apples.

Originally Posted by jbour13

Yes the "history" of Palestine is one that isn't well understood, even by the people that claim association with it and the motherland.

Hey, whose history is REALLY understood. We all have eyes that see and we can all see what we see when we see those folks dancing over the slaughter of a few young religious students. The Palestinians are victims of themselves. It all depends on what the result of our deeds gets us. The Palestinians have sown to the wind and they are reaping a whirlwind. And, you know what? We all reap what we sow. We're all victims - victims of ourselves - both good and bad. We are what we be.

Originally Posted by jbour13

This is my biggest heartache and hurdle to overcome....How do you educate a person on their religion, history and culture when you yourself are seen as an outsider. It's the mentality of I can call my family names but you can't.

Life is not without heartaches and hurdles - Sorry. Life is trouble...period. We all need to get educated. If you saw my family name, I know you couldn't pronounce it - no one can. But, I don't demand that you know or understand me or my history in order for us to get along. Why are the Palestinians afforded more excuses than anyone else?

In my opinion, they are a perfect example of a failed people.



Three Soldier Dad...Chuck


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[Penn]

We may not be at war with Islam but they certainly are engaged in a war of attrition on all values be they Judeo-Christian or basic human interactions.

Islamic states seek world freedom curbs: humanists
By Robert Evans
GENEVA (Reuters) - Islamic states are bidding to use the United Nations to limit freedom of expression and belief around the world, the global humanist body IHEU told the U.N.'s Human Rights Council on Wednesday.
In a statement submitted to the 48-nation Council, the IHEU said the 57 members of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) were also aiming to undermine the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
"The Islamic states see human rights exclusively in Islamic terms, and by sheer weight of numbers this view is becoming dominant within the U.N. system. The implications for the universality of human rights are ominous," it said.
The statement from the IHEU, the International Humanist and Ethical Union, was issued as the U.N.'s special investigator on freedom of opinion and expression argued in a report that religions had no special protection under human rights law.
Ambeyi Ligabo, a Kenyan jurist, said in a report to the Council limitations on freedom of expression in international rights pacts "are not designed to protect belief systems from external or internal criticism."
MOUNTING SUCCESS
But this argument is rejected by Islamic states, who say outright criticism -- and especially lampooning -- of religion violates the rights of believers to enjoy respect.
The IHEU statement and Ligabo's report came against the background of mounting success by the OIC, currently holding a summit in Dakar, in achieving passage of U.N. resolutions against "defamation of religions."
Although several such resolutions have been adopted by the two-year-old Council and its predecessor since 1999, in December the U.N.'s General Assembly easily passed a similar one for the first time over mainly Western and Latin American opposition.
The OIC -- backed by allies in Africa and by Russia and Cuba -- has been pushing for stronger resolutions on "defamation" since a global controversy arose two years ago over cartoons in a Danish newspaper which Muslims say insult their religion.
The "defamation" issue has become especially sensitive this year as the U.N. prepares to celebrate in the autumn the 50th anniversary of the 1948 Universal Declaration, long seen as the bedrock of international human rights law and practice.
The OIC has been actively promoting its own 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, which it argues is complementary to the Universal Declaration but which critics like the IHEU say negate it in many areas.
Humanists, who include believers of many faiths supporting separation of religion and state as well as atheists and agnostics, say the "defamation" drive is part of an effort to extend the Cairo declaration to the international sphere.
The IHEU statement argued the December General Assembly resolution means states "may now legislate against any show of disrespect for religion, however they may choose to define 'disrespect'."

[Team Sergeant]

Hard to believe another islamic religious murder, kidnapping and killing a "Catholic Archbishop" sure sends a clear message.

hey x-factor I sure hope you were not the consultant the Catholic Archbishop utilized concerning his trip to Iraq.....




Iraq: Body of Kidnapped Catholic Archbishop Found


BAGHDAD — The body of a Chaldean Catholic archbishop kidnapped in Iraq last month was found just outside the northern city where he was abducted, Iraqi police and a morgue official said Thursday.

Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho was seized in Mosul and three of his companions were killed Feb. 29 when gunmen attacked them soon after he left mass. It was the latest violence in what church members call a series of attacks against Iraq's small Christian community.

A Mosul police officer and morgue official confirmed Thursday that the body of the dead archbishop was found. Both men spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

The news agency of the Italian bishops' conference also reported that Rahho's body was found. The SIR news agency quoted the auxiliary bishop of Baghdad, Monsignor Shlemon Warduni, as saying the kidnappers had buried him.

No one has claimed responsibility for the archbishop's killing.

Last year's International Religious Freedom Report from the U.S. State Department noted that Chaldean Catholics comprise a tiny minority of the Iraqi population, but are the largest group among the less than 1 million Christians in mostly Muslim Iraq.

Continued:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337427,00.html

[The Reaper]

Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that Islam may not be the "religion of peace" it claims to be?

I do not want to hear about my lack of cultural sensitivity or intolerance till they address their hate, misogyny, racism, and violence. In case they missed the bulletin, there is a big difference between expressing an opposing viewpoint, and sawing off a bound victim's head.

It would appear that few Muslims wish to address this, or have the courage to, and the vast majority are content to be enablers or tacit supporters. Frankly, I would view the vast majority of Muslims as support infrastructure for the terrorists, as members of the auxillary or the underground. Their opinions clearly reflect that.

If the Gaza strip was occupied by the Israelis, it would be developed and quickly have a booming regional economy. Oh wait, they already proved that, and then they gave it back to the Palestinians. What is happening there now?

TR

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Is it just me, or does it occur to anyone else that Islam may not be the "religion of peace" it claims to be?ITR

A head here, a finger there, truly a religion of pieces

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Hard to believe another islamic religious murder, kidnapping and killing a "Catholic Archbishop" sure sends a clear message.
Iraq: Body of Kidnapped Catholic Archbishop Found

TS Sir, this one just sticks with me. Though I read this earlier, it still sticks with a person.
All this Bishop did was try and better the lives of those souls...spiritually.

May those who had a hand in His death burn in Hell!

Holly

[x-factor]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

hey x-factor I sure hope you were not the consultant the Catholic Archbishop utilized concerning his trip to Iraq.....

Your concern for my well-being is touching.

This is further proof that AQI is a cancer that needs to be destroyed. Like we needed any.

The fact that the Church exists in a Muslim country at all is evidence for my point that there is a moderate part of Islam capable of living in peace. What about the Muslims that helped reopen and protect a Christian Church in Doura (written about by Michael Yon)?

[Team Sergeant]

This professor must be a quack and the Freedom House think tank must be on drugs. We already know that predominantly muslim/islamic countries don’t subscribe to those sorts of extreme islamic indoctrination methods, right x-factor????

These must be the moderates muslims I keep hearing about, they're not attacking the western nations, just twisting young minds to do their work for them.

TS





Iranian Textbooks Teach Islamic Supremacy, Inequality for Women and Non-Muslims, Study Finds

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Iran's schools are teaching children to abide by Islamic supremacy and discriminate against non-Muslims and women, according to a study of Iranian textbooks by the think tank Freedom House.

The study, "Discrimination and Intolerance in Iran's Textbooks," examined about 95 different school textbooks that are mandatory for first- through 11th-grade students in Iran. Authored by Paris-8 University sociologist Saeed Paivandi, it is the most comprehensive look to date at the books being used in Iranian schools, according to The New York Sun.

"The discourse of the textbooks has not been written with the concept of equality of all human beings, as enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights," the study concludes. "In the textbooks' reasoning, human beings cannot be equal with one another on this earth, in the same way that, on the day of reckoning, they will be subject to divine judgment for their identity and actions."

Based on the analysis of the Iranian textbooks, Paivandi surmises that different people have different places in society; those who aren't high on the status ladder will be victimized by prejudice.

"Some individuals are born first-class citizens, due to their identity, gender and way of thinking, while others become second- and third-class citizens," the study states. "Those who are excluded from the inside are victims of this discriminatory system."

Numerous laws passed by the Islamic Republic of Iran reflect the lack of equality between Muslims and non-Muslims, dictating that those who don't embrace Islam should be barred from top government and military jobs, admission to universities and so on, according to the Sun. Such principles are reinforced in the textbooks for schoolchildren which Paivandi examined.

"By taking note of the guidance and instructions provided by Islam, every Muslim youth must strike fear in the hearts of the enemies of God and their people through combat-readiness and skillful target shooting," one seventh-grade textbook says.

The books also dictate that women should not join the workforce, but instead must stay at home to raise children.

"A mother whose husband earns sufficient income cannot say, 'My job demands that I leave my child at the day care center every day,' and, in this way deprive her child from her constant love and attention," reads a passage in a 10th-grade book.

The school textbooks recognize other affiliations, including Judaism, the study found. But others, like the Bahai tradition, are characterized as cults.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339452,00.html

[x-factor]

Nothing about this article contradicts anything I've said. Iranian textbooks are written by the Iranian government. The Iranian government is dominated by the religious extremists. It should shock no one that the Iranian textbooks are full of awful garbage. You can cite examples of Muslim extremism until your blue in the face. My argument has never been that it doesn't exist.

[sg1987]

A little dated but I think he makes some good points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF9ns...eature=related