Unarmed SD Scenarios - Page 6

jatx · 09-23-2005, 13:29

By the way, there's no rule saying that you have to stand next to the car while it's being filled. Sit in the passenger seat and you won't have to worry about being left behind. At the very least, make sure that the hose isn't between you and the car door.

Oh, and don't take your pregnant wife out in a car that's low on gas!

aricbcool · 09-23-2005, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Martin

Scenario:
You and your pregnant wife, or pregnant husband if you are a woman, have stopped for gas at a gas station in an urban setting. Your wife stays in the passenger seat while you hook up the feed line (gas handle) to your automobile.
Having done that, a car of rap playing junkies roll up behind your car, stopping. They then slightly bump into your car using theirs, repeatedly.

If you walk over and tell them to stop and that you have a pregnant wife in there, they continue and give you the finger.

Otherwise, or if you undo the previous step I wrote, what would you do?

Martin

Whip out the cell phone and call the cops. Or, drive away. In my town, there's not much else you can do without being arrested for assault.

**The Reaper** · 09-23-2005, 18:28

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Originally Posted by jatx

By the way, there's no rule saying that you have to stand next to the car while it's being filled. Sit in the passenger seat and you won't have to worry about being left behind. At the very least, make sure that the hose isn't between you and the car door.

Oh, and don't take your pregnant wife out in a car that's low on gas!

I would not leave the pump unattended for the reason that I already implied. And I have better evasive driving skills than my wife, unless I need to be shooting instead.

If you are driving a beater and don't care, or they have damaged your car already, throw it in reverse on the way out and hit the front bumper of their late model car hard enough to set off their airbags before driving off. If you let your wife do it, she can claim the pregnancy defense.

They won't be following you in that car, regardless.

TR

jatx · 09-23-2005, 18:47

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

And I have better evasive driving skills than my wife, unless I need to be shooting instead.
TR

Sir,

That sounds like a missed training opportunity!

Smokin Joe · 09-24-2005, 10:18

Fill their car with O.C.

frostfire · 10-21-2005, 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Scenario:
You and your pregnant wife, or pregnant husband if you are a woman, have stopped for gas at a gas station in an urban setting. Your wife stays in the passenger seat while you hook up the feed line (gas handle) to your automobile.
Having done that, a car of rap playing junkies roll up behind your car, stopping. They then slightly bump into your car using theirs, repeatedly.
If you walk over and tell them to stop and that you have a pregnant wife in there, they continue and give you the finger.
Otherwise, or if you undo the previous step I wrote, what would you do?
Martin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razor

Just to set the record straight, the term was 'avoid-fu', and the first time I saw it was in a post by PS.com's own Guy Jones on another forum. Credit where credit is due.

http://clnlb.us.publicus.com/apps/pb...1012002/-1/ATL
First of all, RIP soldier...
Now, with no means to disrespect any of the involved parties, IMHO this is a good example of how avoid-fu would have kept the husband/father alive and the college boy going with a good start in life by having college degree & clean record.

I personally has exercised avoid fu in similar scenarios:
- Some dude kept honking at parking lot, trying to get my attention, and then talked smart and tried to get into my nerve. He then started honking again.
I walked away.
- Some gangsta-punks-filled car stopped by me at a red light and one of them started demanding attention. When I looked away, the name-calling began.
I drove away.

not afraid of death, I'm just not too keen of a dog's death.
Just like "law-fu" (learning and being aware of preclusion etc.) and "kung-fu," (all the skills etc. etc.) "avoid-fu is hardly easy as it involves slaying your own ego.

avoid-fu --> law-fu --> kung-fu
The set of OODA-integrated SOPs I learn to abide by at least here being a civvie in the states (esp. big cities).

cback0220 · 10-21-2005, 07:55

Here is another scenario, actually happened to me and a few friends.

You are at the beach surfing, or just having a good time when you get in the way of an angry 18 year old territorial surfer. He tells you so and you say, I wasn't in your way and he needs to get out of your face. He splashes you with water, a big sign of disrespect and paddles off. No big deal

20 minutes later on the shore rocks start hitting the sand near your position on the beach. There are now 8-10 surfers sitting on the cliff heckling and throwing rocks at you. Your big Hawaiian friend goes to have words, when he does so he is struck in the face by one of the smaller guys. You have come to his aide. You now have 8 or so angry 20-somethings on 3 or 4 defensives. They are advancing. What would you do.

One of the three is not good for fighting but can hold HIS own. All 8 are fighters.

This is a real problem on a daily basis in Southern California. Territorialism is rediculous. Fights happen over stupid shit that doesn't matter. It is almost always in groups as these guys are to pussy to fight on their own merit.

**Kyobanim** · 10-21-2005, 08:17

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Territorialism is rediculous

Exactly. It isn't worth the trouble. Once you start fighting you become just like them. Go surf somewhere else. I know Kalifornia has some great spots.

cback0220 · 10-21-2005, 12:40

We do now, but the fact is we had surfed there just as long. Bu the day we get in the way we were not locals anymore. But what would you do in the 3 on 8 scenario.

**Kyobanim** · 10-21-2005, 17:30

You can only fight one person at a time no matter how good you are. The key is to keep moving to manuver the ones after you so that you are only facing one of them at a time. You do the best you can with quick, effective attacks on that one person. If you have the stamina, you will outlast them. If not, you will get your ass kicked.

This is something that you have train for. You can wear yourself out moving if you're not practiced at the technique. Let them come to you and redirect their attack with pushes followed up by a quick parting shot. You will be tempted to become desicively engaged with 1 opponent and that will do you in. Once you do this you lose.

You can practice this simply by having several of your friends come at you. You'll find that they will wear themselves out faster trying to move around each other to get to you than you do trying to avoid them.

Michelle · 10-21-2005, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim

You can only fight one person at a time no matter how good you are. The key is to keep moving to manuver the ones after you so that you are only facing one of them at a time. You do the best you can with quick, effective attacks on that one person. If you have the stamina, you will outlast them. If not, you will get your ass kicked.

This is something that you have train for. You can wear yourself out moving if you're not practiced at the technique. Let them come to you and redirect their attack with pushes followed up by a quick parting shot. You will be tempted to become desicively engaged with 1 opponent and that will do you in. Once you do this you lose.

You can practice this simply by having several of your friends come at you. You'll find that they will wear themselves out faster trying to move around each other to get to you than you do trying to avoid them.

What if two of them are coming at you dead-simultaneously? Or would that not be possible if you are effectively "continuously moving?"

m1

**Razor** · 10-21-2005, 19:32

I'm no expert, but I think their angles of attack are important in answering that question. If they're coming side-by-side, you can move to the side of one of them, effectively using them as a block against the other's attack. If they're coming from two separate angles, you can move to avoid one attack and make a dash at the other.

**Kyobanim** · 10-21-2005, 19:38

Razor nailed it,

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effectively using them as a block against the other's attack. If they're coming from two separate angles, you can move to avoid one attack and make a dash at the other.

The key is, once again, training.

I believe Aikido uses the "art of redirection", which simply stated is using your opponents force against him.

Michelle · 10-21-2005, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Kyobanim

Razor nailed it,

The key is, once again, training.

I believe Aikido uses the "art of redirection", which simply stated is using your opponents force against him.

I was going to ask if you were coming from an "Aikido" philosophy on this one because that's what it seemed to me... not only the "art of redirection" but the art of using BG1 against BG2. I didn't want to assume however.

Thank you Razor and Kyo!

m1

**Razor** · 10-21-2005, 20:39

Nope, I was coming from a "keep from getting my ass kicked" philosophy.