03-18-2004, 00:32
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Quote:
Originally posted by KevinB
Joe,
You shoudl be still able to get enough of an angle to cut into the screw to make a trench to put a small screw driver in.
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Unless he Red Loc-tited them first.
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03-18-2004, 07:54
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Originally posted by The Reaper
Unless he Red Loc-tited them first.
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Very true Sir.
I agree with Kevin B, Joe. From the look of your pic, you have access to the top of the bolt. Do you have anything that you can use to drill a notch into that bolt? I realize that a standard dremmel cutting disc can't be used as it would cut into the mount too. You will need a bur(drill bit) verses a disc so that you can cut only the bolt when you put the notch in.
I wish you were closer, I have the hundreds of little diamond burs that would do the trick. Again, this fix is assuming you haven't loc-tited it in. If you did, then make sure you use a drill press to prevent the weeble-wobble drill monster from attacking your sight too. LOL
Good luck
Last edited by Sacamuelas; 03-18-2004 at 07:57.
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03-18-2004, 08:04
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Quote:
Originally posted by The Reaper
Unless he Red Loc-tited them first.
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Thankfully I did no Loc-tite them in.
Sacemulas I do have a dremel, however I know I don't have a bur bit or anything small enough to cut a slit in the screw.
Do you have a pic of what type of bit your talking about or do you know where I could pick one up?
Thank you for the help and ideas Gentlemen. I was about to give up on the damn thing and take it to a gunsmith to fix.
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03-18-2004, 08:26
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I am at work.. I will have to scrounge my cheapo office digital cam and shoot a pic of them.
I''ll be back after my 08:30-9:30 patient.
BTW- yes, I will send you one in the mail. Quit beating around the bush JOE- just ask!!!  LOL LOL Just not sure if it will cut as efficently as it would if I could do it since my drill runs at 300,000 rpms verses a your standard drill around 25-30k.
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03-18-2004, 08:39
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Thankfully I did not Loc-tite them in. "Because I have the gentle touch of a large African Silverback Guerrilla I don’t need no stinking Loc-tite”
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Say it with me Joe, “Torque Wrench.”
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03-18-2004, 08:54
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Say it with me Joe, “Torque Wrench.”
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03-18-2004, 08:56
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
I am at work.. I will have to scrounge my cheapo office digital cam and shoot a pic of them.
I''ll be back after my 08:30-9:30 patient.
BTW- yes, I will send you one in the mail. Quit beating around the bush JOE- just ask!!! ) LOL LOL Just not sure if it will cut as efficently as it would if I could do it since my drill runs at 300,000 rpms verses a your standard drill around 25-30k.
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I can run that bit in a standard drill?
I'm not worried about the speed I will just use more leverage and force to compensate
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03-18-2004, 09:38
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Friggin camera rechargeable battery is dead...
SOMEONE didn't do their job here at the office.
Anyway, Joe just shoot me a Pm with a mailing address. I will put a few different burs in an envelope and send them this afternoon.
They are extremely small headed/small shank burs but most standard drills adjust down to where the prongs will actually touch each other so they should tighten down onto these burs too. I am sending a few carbide burs with a diamond or two that may work just as good, they just tend to dull down quickly so change it out if it cuts to slowly.
A dremmel is a friction grip that is only set for a certain size shank so these will not work in a dremmel. Your regular drill should work though.
Remember, use lube and light pressure- let the DRILL and bur do the work not you muscle man. LOL hahaha Take you time... these burs are not going to rip into that metal...let them do their magic.
Your first cut notch needs to be deep enough to allow for adequate torque to be put on the bolt with the screwdriver. If you make it to shallow, you will buggar up the top of the bolt and have to cut farther down into the bolt which will be harder to access as you get down into the mount itself.
Good thing is... as long as you don't cut into the mount- you can do no more harm than you alreay have. You will always be able to bring it to a gunsmith and get it taken out. Good Luck
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03-18-2004, 10:11
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Friggin camera rechargeable battery is dead...
SOMEONE didn't do their job here at the office.
Anyway, Joe just shoot me a Pm with a mailing address. I will put a few different burs in an envelope and send them this afternoon.
They are extremely small headed/small shank burs but most standard drills adjust down to where the prongs will actually touch each other so they should tighten down onto these burs too. I am sending a few carbide burs with a diamond or two that may work just as good, they just tend to dull down quickly so change it out if it cuts to slowly.
A dremmel is a friction grip that is only set for a certain size shank so these will not work in a dremmel. Your regular drill should work though.
Remember, use lube and light pressure- let the DRILL and bur do the work not you muscle man. LOL hahaha Take you time... these burs are not going to rip into that metal...let them do their magic.
Your first cut notch needs to be deep enough to allow for adequate torque to be put on the bolt with the screwdriver. If you make it to shallow, you will buggar up the top of the bolt and have to cut farther down into the bolt which will be harder to access as you get down into the mount itself.
Good thing is... as long as you don't cut into the mount- you can do no more harm than you alreay have. You will always be able to bring it to a gunsmith and get it taken out. Good Luck
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Thanks Sacamuelas,
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03-18-2004, 11:37
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Its sent. BTW- I would go ahead and start hitting that sucker with a little drop or two of penetrating oil...since you torqued it tight enough to break the bolt then you may want to lessen the amount of force used with the screwdriver to remove it by any way possible.
edited to add:
Kevin B.- I sent you a PM a while ago. You may want to change your PM settings to pop a box up or something when you get one.
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03-18-2004, 11:47
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You can get smaller collets for the Dremel !! They make several different sizes.
Also, Heat up the Base with a Hot Hair Drier and the Aluminum should expand faster that the Steel Screw and make it easier to extract!!! Also, repeated heating and cooling will "work" the penetrating oil down into the threads.
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03-18-2004, 13:42
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Is Tri-Flow a good penetrating oil? Or should I stick with CLP?
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03-23-2004, 09:44
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WOO HOOOO
Well Gentlemen I did it I unscrewed my screw up.
Thank you Sacamuelas for the bits they were invaluable.
I tried your idea of drilling several holes in line to try and get a screwdriver in there to unscrew the torque but it didn't work. (Mind you I don't have a drill press just a drill stabilizer) The drill kept slipping in to the original hole. So, I just pre-drilled the hole then used a 3/32nd titanium bit to drill the screw all the way out AND IT DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH THE THREADS ON THE INSIDE OF THE MOUNT.
I was ecstatic I couldn't believe it.
Thanks again for your help and ideas guys you saved me. (Yet again)
Photos to follow this evening.
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03-23-2004, 22:22
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That is great news Joe. Congrats...
NOw , remember what the Team Sergeant said..... TORQUE WRENCH!!! LOL
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03-24-2004, 21:49
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Here is a pic of my B.S. drill press so you can appericate why the bit kept slipping.
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