07-02-2004, 18:00
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There is some good info on this here
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LOL - DAMN! REVERSAL - TWO POINTS!
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07-02-2004, 18:21
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I don't teach point shooting.
The day USSF uses/teaches point shooting is the day professional wrestling becomes an Olympic sport.
Col Applegate's idea was great and ahead of its time. That was then. It's 2004, time for double actions, double stack mag's and using sights instead of pointing and praying.
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07-02-2004, 18:25
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LOL - Ok, ok. No point shooting. I tried it and didn't like it either.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-02-2004, 18:40
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One cannot shoot the groups in the above pictured targets via point shooting.
I do believe I could teach a person that has never held a pistol to shoot bullet holes through bullet holes in one day. Provided they are in good health, and possess a better than adverage grip.
I actually enjoy teaching the type of people that could not hit the water if they fell off the boat.
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07-02-2004, 18:42
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I actually enjoy teaching the type of people that could not hit the water if they fell off the boat.
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Reference to a recent experience? 
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He knows only The Cause.
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07-02-2004, 18:49
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LOL, no.
Most people I teach do very well. I like to think I teach as well as I shoot.
I've actually had quite a few shoot bullet holes through bullet holes after just one lesson. Most had some weapons experience, a few had no experience what so ever.
Almost forgot, RL had a run of about 4 rounds through the same hole and kept shooting and made that big shot group. I had to point out to him how I knew he was going through the same hole....
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07-02-2004, 19:03
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Originally posted by Team Sergeant
I had to point out to him how I knew he was going through the same hole....
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Would you quit teasing us along and quit making me chime in to ask for more?  I just want to learn and EVERTIME I have to post someone gets to take a potshot at me. LOL
I can't believe noone has brought up my yard stick "groups" yet. HAHA
ALright... How did you know they all went in the same hole when the shooter did not Team Sergeant? I know from standing in the front at his 10 o'clock and watching him, you could not have seen the target.
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07-02-2004, 19:08
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I showed him what a regular .40 hole looks like, and trust me they all looked the same. Then I showed him what a .40 hole looked like with a second shot going through the same hole. It was easy to see a difference, once it was pointed out.
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07-02-2004, 19:09
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Damn.. I figured you were using the "force"! LOL I figured it was something simple.
Thanks.
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07-02-2004, 19:12
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Quit whining Saca. This is a shooting thread and there's no whining on the range.
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He knows only The Cause.
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07-02-2004, 19:15
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If I wanted to learn to shoot a handgun, what qualities would you all recommend looking for in a teacher?
I've knocked off a few OJ cans with a .22, but that was a long time ago...
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07-02-2004, 19:16
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I think I need to clairfy my prior post.
I don't condone point shooting. I was merely referencing the stance and how Col. Applegate worked off of the bodies natural reaction to "being underfire" in the stance.
No disrespect was intended or implied NDD.
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07-02-2004, 19:21
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Quit whining Saca. This is a shooting thread and there's no whining on the range.
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Just makin' conversation while I reload there ND Doc. HaHA
At what point should one start trying to fire more than one shot in succession ( during training)?
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07-02-2004, 19:24
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No disrespect was intended or implied NDD.
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Huh? Why would you say that?
lrd - I would recommend a former Team Sergeant in a desert area in CONUS or a former Medick if you really want a scenary change. If you're on the Right Coast, I know another guy I would recommend in the Ft. Bragg area. Identity close hold.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-02-2004, 19:25
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Just makin' conversation while I reload there ND Doc. HaHA
At what point should one start trying to fire more than one shot in succession ( during training)?
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Ask your Instructor - you can only have one at a time.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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