Looks Like It Is Over

[Surgicalcric]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Jiggz--

With all due respect, your post displays exceptionally bad form.

If one is going to position one's self as intellectually superior, one should double check one's spelling and punctuation.

If one is going to chastise others, one should avoid statements like "get over it."

If one is looking to earn respect of guests of this forum (the hosts and the QPs have taken you to task and I would not presume to speak for them), patronizing comments like "let us begin" may not serve you well.

Both of you need to take your pettiness to PM. It will not be tolerated!

Jiggz: You need to learn to mind your surroundings. This is our house. Be careful how you address others.

Originally Posted by Sigaba

...I would not presume to speak for them...

Sigaba: Then dont presume to speak for us. It isnt your job to police OUR house...

Questions? I didnt think so.

Crip

[JacobGL]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

jiggz:

The military is apolitical, supports and defends the Constitution, and obeys the orders of the civilian leadership.

That does not mean that we are not entitled to our opinions, nor is it a suicide pact.

As soon as the leadership violates the Constitution, we are no longer obligated to obey those orders.

Obama ran by promising many things to many people. In essense, he bought votes by appealing to people's greed and avarice, and counting on their ignorance. We will now see if he can deliver. My personal opinion is that he cannot, without wrecking the economy through a depression or hyper-inflation.

I understand what socialism is, have a degree in Political Science, and a graduate degree in History. I would offer that my years in a team room and in debating the relative merits of different political systems while living in them should warrant some credit as well. I have the life experiences of having visited socialist countries, and in some cases, assisted with planning the overthrow of those countries' leadership. IIRC, I have lived, worked, or visited north of 40 nations in my lifetime. On top of that, I have more than 25 years of putting my life on the line for my teammates, doing my countries' bidding, and in the pursuit of freedom. What have you done outside the classroom?

You are correct. Not all Dems are sheeple. Some are wolves.

I think you are starting off on the wrong foot, but lets see what you have.

Do you want to give us your definition of "proper discourse"?

TR

TR

I learn a lot from this site, its a great reference and learning tool. That fact that you and the other QP's are willing to give some of your time to us prospects humbles me daily. Thank you.

I was born in Ukraine, on my mothers side I grew up hearing the war stories of my elders (my great aunt was a decorated sniper, her husband was a tank commander). On my fathers side I grew up hearing about war, as well as the ovens. The fact that my entire family was accepted here, Jew or Gentile, is a great source of motivation in my goal of becoming a QP.

When I first found this site it scared the shit out of me. I knew where I stood politically, and it was obviouse where the majority of the QP's stood. None the less, I signed them papers. Am I to assume that I won't be accepted on a team becuase I lean left? Even if I bust my ass serving this country? I have wanted to ask this for some time...

Thank you Sir
- Jake

[JNC]

I got chills from reading Mr. Reaper's post #59. Anyone else find theirself reading it to the rhythm of Jack Nicholson's ending speech in A Few Good Men?

EDIT: Deleted question due to being discussed in another thread.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by JacobGL

.... Am I to assume that I won't be accepted on a team becuase I lean left? ......

You assume too much. You will be judged on how well you do your job.

Where you lean may make you the butt of some jokes and target for ribbing. If that seems harsh to you maybe you should look for another job.

[rubberneck]

After watching the reaction to the news that Barack Obama was now our President elect was one of the worst feelings I have ever experienced, and it had little to do with the outcome. There is something so unnerving as messianic reverence and deference his followers show him. It is so unnerving because it appears to be so divorced from reality.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

This is the result of the left controlling the schools and media for the last 20 years. It will only get worse if we don't take them back, especially the schools.

RL - Great new avatar! To quote Ed McMahon, "You are correct, sir!" It is time for some people with conservative political values to consider entering the educational field upon their retirement from their current occupations. Quite frankly, those of us with that worldview who are trying to get students to actually think, evaluate data, present a cogent argument, and keep an open mind are surrounded, cut-off, and in danger of being overrun. Good thing I was a paratrooper, since they have to be used to that position.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

Both of you need to take your pettiness to PM. It will not be tolerated!

Jiggz: You need to learn to mind your surroundings. This is our house. Be careful how you address others.

Sigaba: Then dont presume to speak for us. It isnt your job to police OUR house...

Questions? I didnt think so.

Crip

I apologize to all the QPs for straying from my lane.

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

When you are sitting on your ass at Bragg, CoC too scared that someone will get hurt to leave the team room, with no money, fuel, or ammo to train, fellow SF soldiers on food stamps, a pole smoker standing next to you in the shower, and a lesbian arriving as your new 18D, you will realize what a mistake you have made.

I lived through the Carter era, it was not pretty.

God Bless America, we are all going to need it!

TR

Well said, sir. To be honest, as the results poured in last night, I felt myself wanting to stand and sing that song - "God Bless America"!

It was during the administration of Carter when my 12th Group ODA got the message that before we embarked on ANY kind of "desert training" we were to complete many forms, get the training site approved, and jump through tons of hoops - while having little money to do anything, outside of team funds. Our Det Cdr asked, since we were located in Phoenix, AZ, if that meant we were to remain inside the team room at all times. No reply.

[ksgbobo]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

After watching the reaction to the news that Barack Obama was now our President elect was one of the worst feelings I have ever experienced, and it had little to do with the outcome. There is something so unnerving as messianic reverence and deference his followers show him. It is so unnerving because it appears to be so divorced from reality.

+1

The feeling I had last night when I found out that Obama is the President-elect, I was somewhat sad, and somewhat scared. We have not been attacked since 9/11 and the embassy bombing in Yemen recently, if you count that. We have been doing something right the past 8 years. With Russia already wanting to put missles in the Baltic Sea, 2009 will be an interesting year to be an American. God help us!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by JacobGL

TR

I learn a lot from this site, its a great reference and learning tool. That fact that you and the other QP's are willing to give some of your time to us prospects humbles me daily. Thank you.

I was born in Ukraine, on my mothers side I grew up hearing the war stories of my elders (my great aunt was a decorated sniper, her husband was a tank commander). On my fathers side I grew up hearing about war, as well as the ovens. The fact that my entire family was accepted here, Jew or Gentile, is a great source of motivation in my goal of becoming a QP.

When I first found this site it scared the shit out of me. I knew where I stood politically, and it was obviouse where the majority of the QP's stood. None the less, I signed them papers. Am I to assume that I won't be accepted on a team becuase I lean left? Even if I bust my ass serving this country? I have wanted to ask this for some time...

Thank you Sir
- Jake

You heard a bunch of old war stories. Everyone has them.

IMHO, you are too young to remember socialism, communism, or the collectives.

The goal of our capitalist system in this country should be to provide everyone the opportunity to succeed (or fail) through their own labors.

That differs significantly from the "from each, according to his means, to each, according to his needs" our new President Elect seems to believe in.

On a seperate note, he seems to feel that litigation is a viable solution to politically unpalatable legislation, and I abhor that concept.

Having said all of that, it is not the leaning that I object to but the lack of factual evidence to support it.

You cannot build a successful society by dragging the top-performers down. You build it by raising everyone up.

Unless you educate yourself and find the facts to support your positions, your lib leanings will probably cause your teammates to believe that you are not terribly bright. If you are very good at what you do, you will likely be accepted regardless, but looked at funny. If you cannot make a good argument supporting your positions, you should probably keep your mouth shut about your opinions. That is what a good SF guy would do in a potentially hostile situation.

Just my .02, you asked.

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

It is worth noting that Obama outspent McCain by almost 2 to 1.

[JacobGL]

Originally Posted by Pete

You assume too much. You will be judged on how well you do your job.

Where you lean may make you the butt of some jokes and target for ribbing. If that seems harsh to you maybe you should look for another job.

Pete

I am a Russian who grew up in an Italian neighborhood. I have been the butt of a couple of jokes and definitely a "target," my skin is nice and thick. As long as it does not over shadow my hard work and determination I will be good to go, and even if it does... I am so happy to be given this opportunity I could honestly care less what someone might think of my politics.

Now its time to make drinks for old men, GREATEST JOB EVER!

thank you-
Jake

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

It is worth noting that Obama outspent McCain by almost 2 to 1.

Off topic, but how many minds do you think he changed?

Was that the end of accepting public financing we just heard?

TR

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

After watching the reaction to the news that Barack Obama was now our President elect was one of the worst feelings I have ever experienced, and it had little to do with the outcome. There is something so unnerving as messianic reverence and deference his followers show him. It is so unnerving because it appears to be so divorced from reality.

rubberneck,

I had the same feeling.........

GB TFS

[JacobGL]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

You heard a bunch of old war stories. Everyone has them.

IMHO, you are too young to remember socialism, communism, or the collectives.

The goal of our capitalist system in this country should be to provide everyone the opportunity to succeed (or fail) through their own labors.

That differs significantly from the "from each, according to his means, to each, according to his needs" our new President Elect seems to believe in.

On a seperate note, he seems to feel that litigation is a viable solution to politically unpalatable legislation, and I abhor that concept.

Having said all of that, it is not the leaning that I object to but the lack of factual evidence to support it.

You cannot build a successful society by dragging the top-performers down. You build it by raising everyone up.

Unless you educate yourself and find the facts to support your positions, your lib leanings will probably cause your teammates to believe that you are not terribly bright. If you are very good at what you do, you will likely be accepted regardless, but looked at funny. If you cannot make a good argument supporting your positions, you should probably keep your mouth shut about your opinions. That is what a good SF guy would do in a potentially hostile situation.

Just my .02, you asked.

TR

Thank you Sir

Jake