Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon "fires" this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
I'm going to be the next untrained, no-prior-service wannabe to wander out of my lane for this thread. But the thread title includes wannabes, so here goes.
1. It appears to be a BLU-97/B munition. Scored steel, designed to fragment and really screw the day for anyone nearby. I believe this is an anti-tank weapon.
2. Fragmentation plus incendiary effects. Essentially a 20 cm long x 6 cm diameter frag grenade. Hard to see in the shadow of the black metal / plastic, but perhaps the collar didn't push up to arm the munition? If my earlier assumption is correct (that this an anti-tank weapon), then this is an impact-triggered submunition and should have detonated on hitting a target or the ground. Perhaps it really is armed but the sandy soil cushioned the impact enough to prevent detonation?
3. CBU-87, TLAM-D, and a JSOW? The CBU-87 is an aircraft-launched cluster bomb.
4. The munition should arm at 6.5 G. The CBU-87/B has a FZU-39/B proximity sensor (timer or radar proximity sensor) for releasing the BLU-97s, I'm still looking for the individual munition detonator.
5. Unlike the last test item, this one has no motor to destroy. I'd imagine a C4 block would do this job as well, but what I don't know would fill libraries. If it's impact-triggered, might a well-placed shot set it off?
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Okay 18C name the below on this munition.
Name the following:
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What weapon "fires" this warhead.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
As with Air.177 I'm out of my league. If only the Quiet Professionals are supposed to post here please delete this post.
1. It looks to be a BLU-97/B
2. Effective against armor, personnel and material
3. The BLU-97/b are dropped from a CBU-87, an all-purpose, air-delivered cluster weapons system.
4. FZU-39/B proximity sensor
5. The only thing I found for BIP methods involved using a flare (either electric match ignited or time fuse ignited) which caused the munition to crack thus neutralized it.
Edited to noted: Damn it someone beat me to it!
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Dropped/Sub-munition BLU-97/B as noted "Engineer Killer".
Dispensed from: CBU-87 & Tomahawk Guided Missle Surf-Surf and Sub-Surf
Just want to state first off that I ID'd the munition in the picture as a scatterable submunition. There were no foreign markings I could see so based on the NATO color sytem I would classify it as a HE type. I used the Operational Support Guide for Joint Service EOD: Iraqi AO book as well the cd based version to ID the exact munition. BLU-97/B HEAT submunition.
Safety Hazards: HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/CS(dispensed)/FIRE/LUCKY/JET.
As a note I had written down from class if there is a parachute/streamer attached to the munition and there is a 5kt or greater wind DO NOT approach the munition.
Fuzing: Impact Inertia fuze classified as a PIBD.
BIP: I would want to stay as far away as possible from this munition. One method a 18C had mentioned when he came by class to talk to us based on his very recent dealings in Afghanistan. Based on memory he said he would get some type of cardboard and then attached a length of cord to this so he could drag near the munition without having to be near it. Could prime a block of C4 and use MDI along the length of the cord. Once the C4 is near the munition go ahead and find cover and initiate the MDI. My concerns with this are finding cover, being far away enough from the munition, getting the C4 close enough to the munition so that it is destoryed and not thrown somewhere else on the battlefield.
OKAY - gtcrispy, Spartan359, and Pinhead all a good job on the numbers.
1) Type by function - (Type) Dropped/Sub-munition BLU-97/B (function?) Remeber if your a Charlie that there are how many Types of UXOs? Not categories - Types.
Also, remember that Type by Function is in both Filler and the fuze. That is by I have broken this question answer in this way.
2) gtcrispy you had the best SH - HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/CS(dispensed)/FIRE/LUCKY/JET
3) gtcrispy - Impact Inertia fuze classified as a PIBD some also it is called a All-ways acting fuze. It can move basiclly in four direction.
3) Spartan359 - FZU-39/B proximity sensor (Good job)
4) Pinhead best job on coveringmost of them CBU-87, TLAM-D, and a JSOW? The CBU-87 is an aircraft-launched cluster bomb
5) BIP - I cover some way on doing it.
(1) 1/4 to 1/2 block C4 next to but not
(2) SMUD the UXO
(3) use a TRAP system
(4) get a PakBot EOD for your ODA - I'm asking for two each. Remote Disposal of UXO the best way
(5) The way the 18C mentioned doing it - no major problems IMHO. He got it disposal of and didn't get killed mission accomplished.
When you disposal of it you need to remember your SH on BIPing it. This one has a JET SH.
Okay now for the next UXO no answers from gtcrispy, Spartan359, and Pinhead for 7 days. Let see if some other 18C or people can ID them.
Thanks Great Job
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5) BIP - I cover some way on doing it.
(4) get a PakBot EOD for your ODA - I'm asking for two each. Remote Disposal of UXO the best way
My first choice would be one of the remote-controlled, up-armored Bobcats that my company made for Army Rapid Equipping Force, but I figured that's not something an ODA would have. Certainly not if it jumped in! I completely forgot about the Packbots - oops!
Unless they are doing UXO in Haiti, you gotta make these a bit more difficult.
What, are you using the pics out of your lesson plans?
TR
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Okay since TR popped the back of my head. So I see we don't like some WWII (Haiti).
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Unless they are doing UXO in Haiti, you gotta make these a bit more difficult.
What, are you using the pics out of your lesson plans?
Had to get home and get one of my PIX cards out. Its all Good TR.. Nothing but growning pain - weakness leaving the body.
So 18 Charlies here is number four.
Diddo- name the below on this munition.
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What is the Munition (UXO) and what weapon "fires" this UXO.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
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"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
Okay since TR popped the back of my head. So I see we don't like some WWII (Haiti).
Had to get home and get one of my PIX cards out. Its all Good TR.. Nothing but growning pain - weakness leaving the body.
Hey, the 18Cs had this stuff in class, and are getting smoked by O's, squids, and civilians who have never had a class on it.
You had to do better than a bazooka round if you want the riffraff like us to stay out of it while you challenged the Charlies.
TR
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
Hey, the 18Cs had this stuff in class, and are getting smoked by O's, squids, and civilians who have never had a class on it.
Well TR looks like they can't answer any of these PIX. You are right, its sad to see a new 18C just getting ready to Grad this week, some O's (most are RET) and a Civillian getting them all. Most just by googling, and that's good.
Look 18Cs you are getting walked on all over. Set up to the plate.
18C knowing what is in front of you and how to get close to it. Then knowing how to get rid of it is what we are trying to cover here. Look its more that just setting some C4 next to most things that are found. You may be training and have to do tis in a country that you are visiting.
18C just like the rest of us, you have to teach your ODA and others in your basic skills that you know or will know soon. Look in most countries you are looked at as a EOD TECH.
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"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
Diddo- name the below on this munition.
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What is the Munition (UXO) and what weapon "fires" this UXO.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
Lets try this one
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"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
Diddo- name the below on this munition.
1) Type by function
2) Safety Hazards
3) What is the Munition (UXO) and what weapon "fires" this UXO.
4) Type and name of Fuze.
5) BIP method?
Well, I've been abiding by the 7-day wait period. It might just be the angle, but the two UXOs look to be similar but not the same - the new picture looks to be longer overall, with an elongated ogive. If they are the same, I'm already sure I'm wrong. My answer for the first one:
1. 90mm projectile, anti-armor HE Squash-Head shell (M691). Intended to blow the interior of an armor plate loose as killing fragments without necessarily penetrating the armor directly.
2. HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/FIRE/LUCKY/JET.
3. Unexpended shell from a M691A2 HESH round. Fired by 90mm cannon. Not sure when this round was introduced, or when (or if) it was retired. Lots of things have fired 90 mm over the years, back (at least) as far as the M1 Anti-aircraft Gun in WW2. The M48A3 tank, Light Armored Vehicle-Assault Gun (LAV-AG), M67 90-mm recoilless rifle, and M56 Scorpion self-propelled Antitank Gun all used 90 mm.
4. Impact or graze fuze. Have not found an part number.
5. I can google links to FMs for EOD, but they all require more than my email-only AKO. So I'm stuck with "set C4 next to it" and "shoot from a distance to trigger the impact fuze."
Well, I've been abiding by the 7-day wait period. It might just be the angle, but the two UXOs look to be similar but not the same - the new picture looks to be longer overall, with an elongated ogive. If they are the same, I'm already sure I'm wrong. My answer for the first one:
1. 90mm projectile, anti-armor HE Squash-Head shell. Intended to blow the interior of an armor plate loose as killing fragments without necessarily penetrating the armor directly.
2. HE/FRAG/MOVE/EMR/STATIC/FIRE/LUCKY/JET.
3. Unexpended shell from a M691A2 HESH round. Fired by 90mm cannon. Not sure when this round was introduced, or when (or if) it was retired. Lots of things have fired 90 mm over the years, back (at least) as far as the M1 Anti-aircraft Gun in WW2. The M48A3 tank, Light Armored Vehicle-Assault Gun (LAV-AG), M67 90-mm recoilless rifle, and M56 Scorpion self-propelled Antitank Gun all used 90 mm.
4. Impact or graze fuze. Have not found an part number.
5. I can google links to FMs for EOD, but they all require more than my email-only AKO. So I'm stuck with "set C4 next to it" and "shoot from a distance to trigger the impact fuze."
Good Job Pinhead - Man the Civilian getting this again.
In gerenal this rocket is fire from Mult-Barrel Rocket Launcher (MBRL) and most have 12 Tubes that are in rows of 3-4 tube "sets".
Type by Function: Chinese RKT, 107MM, HE-FRAG (TNT)
Safety: Ejection, EMR, FRAG, HE, PROX, STATIC
Fuze: Typically these have a PD, Type 3 Fuze, they can have a ceremic Fuze that is MP1(A). No LUCKY/JET with this UXO. But its better safe than sorry.
Attack (Disposal): Warhead with C4, some say counter-force.
Okay if the "ammunition" used with the MBRL is the Rocket which consists of one piece a warhead is attached to the rocket motor and has a fixed amount of propellant is contained in the rocket motor.
What additional do you need to worry about while disposing this UXO with this precaution above?
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"Berg Heil"
History teaches that when you become indifferent and lose the will to fight someone who has the will to fight will take over."
You are going to want to hit both the warhead and the rocket motor with seperate charges so that both are destroyed and you aren't left with one piece of UXO now in 2 parts. One other thought. Is there is a risk of the rocket propellent igniting sending the UXO in whatever direction?
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