07-28-2006, 21:27
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Also im sorry its not called CQB what i want to learn. Is it called force on force?
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07-28-2006, 21:28
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Sir would you know of anyone in the Fort Campbell area?
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Numbah 1 - Don't evuh call me Sir.
Numbah 2 - No, do your research. It's your money. Why on Buddha's green earth would I know anyone in that leg hell?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
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07-28-2006, 21:29
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Also im sorry its not called CQB what i want to learn. Is it called force on force?
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I'm about to sling your rucksack down the hall. HUSH!
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-28-2006, 21:32
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Im sorry for the "sir" thing just the way my parents taught me.
I'll also do some searching online. Thanks again for your patience.
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07-28-2006, 21:35
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Thanks, I didn't write it down, but I do it. Why don't you just post it so everyone can benefit?
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You need to get the TS' permiso before you do that - this is an open board and he didn't get that knowledge out of a box of Crackerjacks.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-28-2006, 21:35
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Reading through this thread makes me wonder if I could even fire a pistol anymore, it's been 10 yrs since I last did range time, and it was 2 yrs before that that I did a lot of firing. I do remember that a lot of technique came back after about 3 mags. I did notice that after that it all fell into place, sight over barrel with botheyes open, and squeeze as the picture 'felt' right - no holes in holes, but decent groups just left of the sternum, consistently. Tried a few headshot groupings - and found I would not wwant to go after a moving BG for headshots. Point is, this thread makes me homesick for the range - pistol and rifle.
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Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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07-28-2006, 21:36
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So are you saying that the eight principles can never be achieved or they must be taught in a broken down fashion until each one is mastered to be able to achieve the eight principles?
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I am saying this. If your barrel is pointed into the middle of the target when the shot is fired, your bullet will go into the middle of the target.
You know it is pointed there because your eyes see it is pointed there.
You then pull the trigger without pointing it somewhere else.
Or if you are in the zone, your finger moves when your eyes see. Train your eyes to see and your finger to move. It is that simple and unless someone is trying to write a book for profit, they will tell you exactly what I just told you. Be they an Olympic Gold Medal winner, a hunter, or a combat rifleman (who knows what he is doing).
Oh yes, if you believe you must do eight things perfectly, then you must do eight things perfectly at once. I believe you must do one thing perfectly at once. Conditon the finger to move when the eye sees.
Bottom line is this -- what is easier. Doing eight things, four things, or one at one time?
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07-28-2006, 21:40
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Polar Bear is going to need medicating after that one Gene. LOL
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He knows only The Cause.
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07-28-2006, 21:49
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Do a search wasp nest poker.
Post again in this thread and I'll ban you so fast Google won't be able to lead you back here.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-28-2006, 21:54
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Do a search wasp nest poker.
Post again in this thread and I'll ban you so fast Google won't be able to lead you back here.
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Ouch!!! wound up Huge slap to the back of the brain pan, will the boy take the hint and stay down??? I hope so, if he wants to stay on the board, and not have NDD go medieval on his young ass. (badcarma - yes, this is a hint to slink away, quietly, with your tail between your legs, before you really catch the wrath of khan)
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In the business of war, there is no invariable stategic advantage (shih) which can be relied upon at all times.
Sun-Tzu, "The Art of Warfare"
Hearing, I forget. Seeing, I remember. Writing (doing), I understand. Chinese Proverb
Too many people are looking for a magic bullet. As always, shot placement is the key. ~TR
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07-28-2006, 22:00
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BTW Gene WTH? It will never get any easier....  |
NDD:
It was easy. I treat female soldiers the same way I treat male soldiers. As Professionals at Arms.
Females have better fine motor skills so generally make more consistent marksmen than men.
Females have difficulty in dealing with the pressure of time combined with demanded performance. This one I haven't figured out quite yet.
Female soldiers are extremely competitive. This is an advantage.
They kept telling us that they appreciated our 'simplicity' in communicating concepts and 'individual coaching' techniques. We kept telling them that we aren't doing anything different with them than the men. They didn't believe us but it is the absolute truth.
Some female shooter on PS please give me some feedback as this is most confusing.
NDD - we did a great Stress Test with them today that included shooting and treating a casualty. Had a couple of combat experienced NCOs and Officers set up a Mulage scenario that went in stride with our stress fire. Worked out pretty damn well. And that from us -- an 18A retired dinasour Mo-Fo with a couple of tough SSG 11B's.
The whole week was an extremely interesting and quite satisfying experience. I really got a kick out of working with these particular soldiers. C Co. 202 BSB, 4/2 SBCT. Quite a bunch of real characters.
Will comment on your post to me tomorrow when I am rested please. We are far more in agreement than any disagreement.
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07-28-2006, 22:04
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Ah so, they were female. We've had three come through and I agree with your assessment completely. Sounds like great training.
See you tomorrow. Have a good night.
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He knows only The Cause.
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07-28-2006, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Gene Econ
I am saying this. If your barrel is pointed into the middle of the target when the shot is fired, your bullet will go into the middle of the target.
You know it is pointed there because your eyes see it is pointed there.
You then pull the trigger without pointing it somewhere else.
Or if you are in the zone, your finger moves when your eyes see. Train your eyes to see and your finger to move. It is that simple and unless someone is trying to write a book for profit, they will tell you exactly what I just told you. Be they an Olympic Gold Medal winner, a hunter, or a combat rifleman (who knows what he is doing).
Oh yes, if you believe you must do eight things perfectly, then you must do eight things perfectly at once. I believe you must do one thing perfectly at once. Conditon the finger to move when the eye sees.
Bottom line is this -- what is easier. Doing eight things, four things, or one at one time?
Gene
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Gene,
One of my thoughts, is that many new shooters what a simple sure way, or a short cut that is guaranteed to have 100% results. Techies will say the newest and latest gizmo will do that. From my experience and what I have read it takes really good training from people who know, while there is no guarantees that you will walk aways, the odds are good. Nothing can replace the art of training when it becomes natural as scratching your nose. As you said 8 becomes one. There are no sort cuts, nor some technical advantage that can be substituted for skill. Skill can only come by hard work and competent instruction.
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07-28-2006, 22:19
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Cincy - I saw a thread mentioning it once on TPI - do you know what i'm talking about?
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Frayed knot. 
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07-29-2006, 05:31
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Originally Posted by Gene Econ
I am saying this. If your barrel is pointed into the middle of the target when the shot is fired, your bullet will go into the middle of the target.
You know it is pointed there because your eyes see it is pointed there.
You then pull the trigger without pointing it somewhere else.
Or if you are in the zone, your finger moves when your eyes see. Train your eyes to see and your finger to move. It is that simple and unless someone is trying to write a book for profit, they will tell you exactly what I just told you. Be they an Olympic Gold Medal winner, a hunter, or a combat rifleman (who knows what he is doing).
Oh yes, if you believe you must do eight things perfectly, then you must do eight things perfectly at once. I believe you must do one thing perfectly at once. Conditon the finger to move when the eye sees.
Bottom line is this -- what is easier. Doing eight things, four things, or one at one time?
Gene
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Gene Thank you for the answer
NDD I had to read it twice
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