Are we at war with Islam?

[x-factor]

That Dutch movie story may be a very bad omen. You've got a far right party about to butt heads with radical Islam. Radical Islam needs to be careful what they wish for. They're going to mess around and push Europe too far and wake up/strengthen some of the old European fascist ideas in the popular discourse.

On the immigration thing, the beginnings of Europe's immigration problems started during the post WWII reconstruction when they brought in huge amounts of cheap labor from their colonies (or from Turkey in Germany's case) to rebuild. Those workers stayed brought their families, etc. While that might sound alot like our issues with Mexican and Latin American immigration, I don't think it is.

The problem (at least in terms of the concerns TR brings up) really isn't immigration, its integration and in this respect, I don't see alot of parallels between the US and Europe. One of the US' greatest strengths is the way we integrate immigrants. Alot of that has to do with the fact that our country is based on an idea rather than an ethnicity. Lately you're seeing alot of countres (Canada, France, Britain, etc) trying to redefine their national identities as culture-based rather than ethnicity-based. For example, defining "being British" as loving "Shakespeare, cricket, and a proper sense of decorum" rather than having Anglo-Saxon, Welsh, or Scots blood.) This is something we do naturally because we're a nation of immigrants.

As an aside, its interesting to note that the 9-11 terrorists didn't become radicalized until they moved to Europe (Hamburg, Germany specifically) for school where they were isolated and ostracized from mainstream German culture and consequently backed into a kind of psychological corner where the only thing that provided a sense of identity or pride was radical Islam. That's central to the reason that Europe's homegrown terror threat is so much higher than the US'.

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by x-factor

The problem (at least in terms of the concerns TR brings up) really isn't immigration, its integration and in this respect, I don't see alot of parallels between the US and Europe. One of the US' greatest strengths is the way we integrate immigrants. .

Those that wish to be integrated do so and those that don't, don't. Chinatown, little (whatever country of ethnic group-you fill in the country or ethnicity of choice), Russian mafia is not integrated, Chinese Tongs are not integrated, gangs of ethnic youth are a fertile ground for manipulation by non-integrated hostiles, etc, etc. No, integration is no longer a fact, it is a wish and until you have folks that stand up and place their hand over their heart when the colors pass, until you get rid of all those who would teach English as a second language rather than the primary language, until you take down the bi-linqual road signs, issue instruction manuals only in English, and have a huge banner attached to Lady Liberty's upraised arm that says English Only is Spoken here, then intergration will be a pipe dream. I have said this before and I will say it again, this nation is supposed to be a melting pot and not a friggin' stew. You want to immigrate here, then embrace our values or stay the hell home and fight to embrace the values you want in your country. If you do not have the guts to fight for what you believe in then you are not welcome to come here and set up your own new world to practice your old world beliefs at the expense of those who willing embrace our values. Cowards are not welcome!

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

This is just me thinking out loud and putting some observations down.

I'm by no means a professional historian, but your observations sound rather familiar to ancient Roman problems as well.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by x-factor

As an aside, its interesting to note that the 9-11 terrorists didn't become radicalized until they moved to Europe (Hamburg, Germany specifically) for school where they were isolated and ostracized from mainstream German culture and consequently backed into a kind of psychological corner where the only thing that provided a sense of identity or pride was radical Islam. That's central to the reason that Europe's homegrown terror threat is so much higher than the US'.

Isolated and ostacized as a matter of choice?
I know it's hard for a male caucasian to be objective, but in many instances I get the impression that the desire is to transplant the native country into the new one (reference the good colonel's post). There are probably places in the United States that I would bet you would find that most of the flags flying are not the Stars and Stripes. That to me does not represent a desire to integrate into the society.

[x-factor]

Ret10Echo - The way they reacted to European society was of course a matter of choice, but the fact that Continental Europe treats its minorities very poorly wasn't.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

No, integration is no longer a fact, it is a wish and until you have folks that stand up and place their hand over their heart when the colors pass, until you get rid of all those who would teach English as a second language rather than the primary language, until you take down the bi-linqual road signs, issue instruction manuals only in English, and have a huge banner attached to Lady Liberty's upraised arm that says English Only is Spoken here, then intergration will be a pipe dream.

I have said this before and I will say it again, this nation is supposed to be a melting pot and not a friggin' stew. You want to immigrate here, then embrace our values or stay the hell home and fight to embrace the values you want in your country. If you do not have the guts to fight for what you believe in then you are not welcome to come here and set up your own new world to practice your old world beliefs at the expense of those who willing embrace our values. Cowards are not welcome!

Col. Sir,

Very well said!

If only this were adopted into our MSM. It would let other Americans know that there are those out there with the same ideology, and all is not lost.

Thank You Sir, for posting this...inspirational, IMHO.

Holly

[Ret10Echo]

Afghan MPs back blasphemy death

The upper house of the Afghan parliament has supported a death sentence issued against a journalist for blasphemy in northern Afghanistan.
Pervez Kambaksh, 23, was convicted last week of downloading and distributing an article insulting Islam. He has denied the charge.

The UN has criticised the sentence and said the journalist did not have legal representation during the case.

The Afghan government has said that the sentence was not final.

A government spokesman said recently that the case would be handled "very carefully".

Now the Afghan Senate has issued a statement on the case - it was not voted on but was signed by its leader, Sibghatullah Mojaddedi, an ally of President Hamid Karzai.

It said the upper house approved the death sentence conferred on Mr Kambaksh by a city court in Mazar-e-Sharif.

Concerns

It also strongly criticised what it called those institutions and foreign sources which, it said, had tried to pressurise the country's government and judiciary as they pursued people like Mr Kambaksh.

Some governments and international organisations have called for the sentence to be overturned.

A legal expert, Wadeer Safi, told the BBC that parliament was not constitutionally allowed to intervene in a case in the way the Senate had done, and he was concerned the new statement might prejudice the independence of the judges.

Mr Kambaksh's brother, Yacoub Kambaksh, told the BBC that the journalist was very concerned about his future and said he had not had a fair trial or any lawyer to defend him.

But the provincial governor in Mazar has said the case is being handled with due process.

Mr Kambaksh has at least two more courts in which to appeal and the sentence would have to be approved by President Karzai to be carried out.

He is a student at Balkh University and a journalist for Jahan-e Naw (New World).

He was arrested in 2007 after downloading material relating to the role of women in Islamic societies.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...ia/7216976.stm

[Team Sergeant]

I ask again, is there anyone that practices islam with an IQ over 65?

Team Sergeant



Human Rights Group Attempts to Stop Execution of Woman for Witchcraft
Thursday, February 14, 2008

BEIRUT, Lebanon — A leading human rights group appealed to Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah on Thursday to stop the execution of a woman accused of witchcraft and performing supernatural acts.

The New York-based Human Rights Watch said in a statement that the kingdom's religious police who arrested and interrogated Fawza Falih, and the judges who tried her in the northern town of Quraiyat never gave her the opportunity to prove her innocence in the face of "absurd charges that have no basis in law."

Falih's case underscores shortcomings in Saudi Arabia's Islamic legal system in which rules of evidence are shaky, lawyers are not always present and sentences often depend on the whim of judges.

The most frequent victims are women, who already suffer severe restrictions on daily life in Saudi Arabia: They cannot drive, appear before a judge without a male representative, or travel abroad without a male guardian's permission.

Witchcraft is considered an offense against Islam in the conservative kingdom.

In Falih's case, the judges relied on a coerced confession and on the statements of witnesses who said she had "bewitched" them to convict her in April 2006, according to the group.

Falih later retracted her confession in court, claiming it was extracted under duress, and said that as an illiterate woman, she did not understand the document she was forced to fingerprint.

"The fact that Saudi judges still conduct trials for unprovable crimes like 'witchcraft' underscores their inability to carry out objective criminal investigations," said Joe Stork, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.

continued:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330680,00.html

[Team Sergeant]

islam at work....

"Militants" or murderous psychopaths?"

This footage is all a year or more old, as lately these punks have been too busy runnin', hidin' and gettin' blowed up to stage many current atrocities, much less film them.

(WARNING: Extremely graphic and disturbing video DO NOT WATCH IF YOU ARE WEAK OF HEART. HUMANS IN THIS VIDEO ARE BEING MURDERED, BE-HEADED, AND BURNED ALIVE ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. THE VIDEO SHOWS A KID OF ABOUT 11-12 BE-HEADING AN INDIVIDUAL WHILE OTHER CHILDREN WATCH.)

Cindy's heroes at work:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32722810348478

Google has removed th video if someone esle finds it please link it here.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

islam at work....

"Militants" or murderous psychopaths?"

This footage is all a year or more old, as lately these punks have been too busy runnin', hidin' and gettin' blowed up to stage many current atrocities, much less film them.

(WARNING: Extremely graphic and disturbing video DO NOT WATCH IF YOU ARE WEAK OF HEART. HUMANS IN THIS VIDEO ARE BEING MURDERED, BE-HEADED, AND BURNED ALIVE ALL IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. THE VIDEO SHOWS A KID OF ABOUT 11-12 BE-HEADING AN INDIVIDUAL WHILE OTHER CHILDREN WATCH.)

Cindy's heroes at work:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32722810348478

Google has removed th video if someone esle finds it please link it here.

I haven't watched them.

The links may or may not work.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191234.php

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

I haven't watched them.

The links may or may not work.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191234.php

That works but it's only a part of the islamic psychopaths video.

TS

[Moving Target]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I ask again, is there anyone that practices islam with an IQ over 65?

Remember this incident?

I wonder if they outlawed Great Danes as well.

[Team Sergeant]

Prior generations tolerated nazism until it was too late.

We will tolerate the islamic ideology, an ideology that has zero tolerance for non-believers, until it's too late.

TS




Freedom Remains Elusive for Journalist in Belarus Jailed For Printing Islamic Cartoons
Tuesday, February 19, 2008

By Peter Byrne

MINSK, Belarus — Freedom could be years away for Aleksandr Sdvizhkov, the Belarusian journalist sentenced to three years of hard labor for republishing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked mass demonstrations and anti-Western violence across the Muslim world.

Sdvizhkov is currently being held with no means of communication at the Belarusian Interior Ministry’s transfer prison in Minsk, said Olexei Korol, co-founder of Zgoda (Consensus) newspaper, which published the cartoons.

“No one is allowed to visit him,” Korol said.

Belarusian strongman President Aleksandr Lukashenko shut down Zgoda in March 2006 after Sdvizhkov decided to re-print the cartoons that portrayed the founder of Islam, including one showing the prophet, with a bomb in his turban.

The 12 cartoons first appeared in the Danish Jyllands-Posten newspaper in 2005 and outraged Muslims who saw them as blasphemous. Last week Danish media republished the controversial images to show solidarity with the cartoonist, a day after police revealed an alleged plot to kill him. Islamic tradition prohibits images of Muhammad and other prophets.

In January a Minsk court sentenced Sdvizhkov to three years of hard labor in a penal colony for his decision to reprint the cartoons. No one knows when the Belarusian Supreme Court will get around to hearing Sdvizhkov’s appeal.

Vitaly Taras, a member of the Union of Belarusian Writers, said in an interview that Sdvizhkov's punishment was excessive. "The case demonstrates to the whole world that European values, including the freedom of speech, have little value in Belarus," Taras said.

continued:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331188,00.html

[Guy]

The majority of people (politicians) that embrace Islam is for personal gain....

[swpa19]

Little by Little:

http://caosblog.com/7218

/8/2008
Sharia courts in America!
By: Cao, Filed under: Terrorism and Islam @ 5:30 pm
Yes, in Texas. Via Robert Spencer and the Jawa Report.

The parties will ask the courts to refer the cases for arbitration to Texas Islamic court within “Seven Days” from the establishment of the Texas Islamic Court panel of Arbitrators. The assignment must include ALL cases, including those filed against or on behalf of other family members related to the parties. Each party will notify the other party, Texas Islamic Court, and their respective attorneys, in writing of the assignment of all the above Cause Numbers from the above appropriate District Court to Texas Islamic Court.

In regards to Col Moroney's comments: Im a first generation American. My family immigrated here from Bardejov, CZ. I never learned to speak Czech, because my family wanted me to be an American.

The only time when Czech was spoken was when aunts and uncles got together. Father was a half track driver/gunner in WWII. Uncle was in Bataan, DM.

The Cols statements are fact: If you cant assimilate-evacuate.