Tactical Handgun Lighting - Page 5

ChandlerSniper · 12-07-2005, 21:54

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I got the switch name wrong, its an SL and not a DG switch!
TS

I didn`t want to correct ya in your own house there pal.

**Team Sergeant** · 12-08-2005, 08:08

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Originally Posted by ChandlerSniper

I didn`t want to correct ya in your own house there pal.

You're full of cow manure, your'e PO'ed I beat you to it!

Even I will admit when I'm wrong!
TS

Sindervhit · 12-11-2005, 13:54

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Now here's a good look at the DG switch.....

(X200 on steroids

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I had that EXACT Surefire on mine before I got my X200. Nice to see another HK fan in here! I love my X200a, but kinda wish I'd held out for the 'b' version instead.

BB493 · 12-16-2005, 00:33

I just ordered an X200B and DG switch for Glock 22 from Surefire. LE/Mil prices were $270.00 shipped for both. They had the switch in stock but the X200B's are on backorder. For those that already have an X200, I think the DG switch was $45.00 LE/Mil pricing.

El Cid · 12-16-2005, 10:22

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Originally Posted by BB493

I just ordered an X200B and DG switch for Glock 22 from Surefire. LE/Mil prices were $270.00 shipped for both. They had the switch in stock but the X200B's are on backorder. For those that already have an X200, I think the DG switch was $45.00 LE/Mil pricing.

For LEO/Mil pricing take 25% off the MSRP on their site. Helluva deal!!

Tubbs · 12-18-2005, 20:15

You can bargin shop a decent gun light setup. Its not nearly as sexy as the wonderfull lights from surefire that have been showcased on this thread, however for under $40 you can get a G2 Nitrolon ($35) and some Tasco weaver stlye scope rings from CDNN ($3.99). Put them together and they fit nicely on just about any type of pistol with a rail (with the exception of the Sig Pro).
With a little bit of work you can get the setup very nicely balanced and it is easy to use. The change to point of impact is minimal and with a bit of range work should not be a factor.

1911detective · 01-01-2006, 17:08

Its sounds like from the posts that an allloy frame (i.e. my P13 limited Alloy) might not be able to take a rail, has anyone seen one or been told that it's just not possible?

**The Reaper** · 01-01-2006, 18:10

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Originally Posted by 1911detective

Its sounds like from the posts that an allloy frame (i.e. my P13 limited Alloy) might not be able to take a rail, has anyone seen one or been told that it's just not possible?

1911, you need to fill in your profile, read all of the stickies and intros, and post an intro in the proper place before posting again elsewhere.

TR

Bob1984 · 01-31-2006, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Sindervhit

I had that EXACT Surefire on mine before I got my X200. Nice to see another HK fan in here! I love my X200a, but kinda wish I'd held out for the 'b' version instead.

I like the flash hider on that USP Tactical

HOLLiS · 01-31-2006, 15:05

I am not sure where to find the rational for affixing a light on your firearm. I was always told, Prior 1980 told to stay away from light sources. I like the darkness and move, or use to move quite well in it. Even in LEO training, We were told to keep the light away from you. Working in darkness the guy with the light is a bullet magnet. It blinds you where you can only see in that thin tunnel of light. I could never see having a lit base in RVN. It is a lot easier to look into a lit base, than to look out.

Maybe this is just a bush Marine Bias. If I was hunting varmints at night, a red light affixed to the rifle would be OK, after all four legged varmints don't shoot back.

So I am puzzled or just way out of touch. I like the new lights for providing light when needed, especially in policing situation. Been meaning to ask this for a long time. I was hoping I would find a reason before now.

**Peregrino** · 01-31-2006, 16:22

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Originally Posted by HOLLiS

I am not sure where to find the rational for affixing a light on your firearm. I was always told, Prior 1980 told to stay away from light sources. I like the darkness and move, or use to move quite well in it. Even in LEO training, We were told to keep the light away from you. Working in darkness the guy with the light is a bullet magnet. It blinds you where you can only see in that thin tunnel of light. I could never see having a lit base in RVN. It is a lot easier to look into a lit base, than to look out.

Maybe this is just a bush Marine Bias. If I was hunting varmints at night, a red light affixed to the rifle would be OK, after all four legged varmints don't shoot back.

So I am puzzled or just way out of touch. I like the new lights for providing light when needed, especially in policing situation. Been meaning to ask this for a long time. I was hoping I would find a reason before now.

HOLLiS - Fair question, the answer to which I've been working on for about a year now (writing training/lesson plans for SureFire). Bottom line - lights are just another tool. Knowing how to use them effectively and when it is appropriate to use them is vital - otherwise you have the "blind bullet magnet" you refer to. It's important to remember that LEOs and military have very different operational requirements. As an LEO you spend the majority of your time using a handheld flashlight for navigation and searching. Your most probable adversary doesn't really want to mix it up with you (a recent search of the available literature does not show ANY LEO ever being shot while using a light). The military on the other hand can expect their adversaries to respond violently to any breach of noise/light discipline. Yet true weapon mounted tactical lights are one of the most important pieces of accessory equipment being used by every class of soldier in the current conflict. At short range in confined spaces (CQB) they are a phenomenal asset. Outdoors or in a rural environment they are significantly less useful and expose the user to observation and fire. Lights can be seen and targeted from much further away than they will illuminate (inverse square law). That's why the military uses IR covers, NVGs, and worrys about "white light ADs" as they move into an assault position. When the action does kick off then they go to white light until it's over. (Now if we could just convince them to use the lights intermittently!) I've got days (actually nights) worth of training materials for teaching this stuff but it all boils down to toolbox and training. Analyze your mission requirements and select the TTPs appropriate to the METT-T. FWIW - Peregrino

HOLLiS · 01-31-2006, 17:42

Peregrino, Thank you for the responce. When I was in LE, I had a 5 and 7 cell mag light. It doubled as a baton in a emergency, with out being offensive as in pulling a baton on a regular civilian, and provided the necessary light.

I can see lighting as a tool. I think with all craftsman, it is how one can employ a tool or their tools that makes them a craftsman. Otherwise we are monkeys imitating craftsman.

I live rural, and prefer darkness. I am not in LEO or active military anymore and prefer to use the darkness to my advantage.

BB493 · 01-31-2006, 17:53

In LE, the light on the handgun also helps out when you just don't have enough hands. A few examples are when you have a suspect at gunpoint at night and you are by yourself, the light on the handgun allows you to keep the suspect covered and illuminated and still allows a free hand to use your radio to call for help. It also helps out when searching buildings where you have a lot of obstacles that you need to navigate. The light has been very handy when climbing up ladders to search attic crawl spaces or when popping up onto a rooftop.

I trained with Ken Good at Strategos and based on his training, I really do try and keep the flashlight away from me as much as I can when searching. I finally got my X200b with the DG switch in and it really made a difference when doing building searches. I got to use it for the first time during our inservice training (it fit's on Sims and airsoft guns but was a pain to get back off). What I ended up doing was primarily using the hand held flashlight and then switched to the handgun light when I was in situations like mentioned above. The LED light was awesome and the dg switch made it much more user friendly then the M3.

GackMan · 06-04-2006, 17:06

I got the switch!! It was only back ordered 4 months! The cust svc guy I talked to tried to get me to not order it... i just told him to order it and send it when they got it.

I like it. I like being able to manipulate the light and use my off hand for opening doors, using the radio, etc. the switch is more squared off than the bubble type one I played with before.

I'd post pics... but it is a Glock 21 w/ an x200 - I'm sure you can use your imagination.

kgoerz · 08-20-2006, 18:49

I have been using the M6 from Stream light. It has the constant on switch and the temporary pressure switch. It also has the off switch to reduce the chance of an accidental light discharge. Like TS said I just keep it on my rig and use it as a standard hand held light source when needed.