Looks Like It Is Over

[csquare]

Last week I was at a conference at one of the major COCOMs. A very well respected General came and said, "be ready and I don't care who is in here or who hears it! 25% of you will be without a job within the next 12-18 months." And he went on to say, "what ever project you're working, continue to work on them, but it will all change soon after Jan 09."
BH0 can only use "W" as a crutch for so long. He will have to own it one day and he'll have to figure out he can live with Pelosi and Reid, those are the anchors that will drag him down. Fairness Act, Gun laws, taxes, health care (look up Hawaii's latest ordeal), etc etc.
Final thought, 4 years ago this man was a state senator from Illinois, now he is President. Sad day indeed......

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by jiggz23

First, were is it that being pro-military equates to being pro-republican?

Second, BHO ran a much better campaing. Get over it.

Third, before suggesting BHO's policy has anything to do with socialism, understand what socialism is. read more. talk less.

Fourth, not all dems are sheeple. if you'd like to engage in proper discourse, let us begin.

jiggz:

The military is apolitical, supports and defends the Constitution, and obeys the orders of the civilian leadership.

That does not mean that we are not entitled to our opinions, nor is it a suicide pact.

As soon as the leadership violates the Constitution, we are no longer obligated to obey those orders.

Obama ran by promising many things to many people. In essense, he bought votes by appealing to people's greed and avarice, and counting on their ignorance. We will now see if he can deliver. My personal opinion is that he cannot, without wrecking the economy through a depression or hyper-inflation.

I understand what socialism is, have a degree in Political Science, and a graduate degree in History. I would offer that my years in a team room and in debating the relative merits of different political systems while living in them should warrant some credit as well. I have the life experiences of having visited socialist countries, and in some cases, assisted with planning the overthrow of those countries' leadership. IIRC, I have lived, worked, or visited north of 40 nations in my lifetime. On top of that, I have more than 25 years of putting my life on the line for my teammates, doing my countries' bidding, and in the pursuit of freedom. What have you done outside the classroom?

You are correct. Not all Dems are sheeple. Some are wolves.

I think you are starting off on the wrong foot, but lets see what you have.

Do you want to give us your definition of "proper discourse"?

TR

[afchic]

Here is what Russian President Medvedev had to say in his state of the Union address last night after it was announced Obama won the election.

Medvedev Confronts U.S. on Missiles After Obama Win (Update1)

By Sebastian Alison and Lyubov Pronina

Nov. 5 (Bloomberg) -- Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev said he would deploy new missiles in Europe, confronting the U.S. hours after Barack Obama won the American presidential election.

Medvedev said he would place a short-range Iskander missile system in Russia's exclave of Kaliningrad, wedged between Poland and Lithuania, to ``neutralize'' a planned U.S. missile-defense system ``if necessary,'' Medvedev said. A radio-jamming installation in Kaliningrad will also be aimed at elements of the U.S. system in Poland and the Czech Republic, he said.

In the annual state-of-the-nation address today in the Kremlin, Medvedev avoided mentioning Obama while highlighting areas of tension between the two countries. Russian-U.S. ties are at their frostiest since the end of the Cold War, frayed by the planned missile shield, the war in Georgia and the U.S. push to admit Georgia and Ukraine to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

``This is a warning to Obama -- a bright, clear warning -- that tough negotiations are ahead,'' Alexander Rahr, a Russia expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said by telephone. Medvedev's ``fist-waving'' on the missile shield may be premature, since Obama has shown less support for the system than President George W. Bush, Rahr said.

Missile Shield

While Obama's positions on the war in Georgia and NATO's eastward expansion are similar to those of the Republican candidate, John McCain, and Bush, he has indicated greater flexibility on the missile shield.

Obama said he'll back the plan ``if it works and if it can be financially feasible,'' Michael McFaul, a Russia specialist at Stanford University who advised Obama during the campaign, said in an interview last month.

While announcing Russia's long-promised military response to the U.S. missile shield, Medvedev also expressed hope that Obama, unlike Bush, would engage with Russia on issues of common interest.

``Progress in Russian-American cooperation would be of critical importance,'' Medvedev said, adding that relations are going through a difficult period.

Medvedev said before the election that he was prepared to work with any new leader in Washington, though he expressed a veiled preference for Obama: ``It would be easier to work with people with a modern outlook, rather than those whose eyes are turned back to the past,'' he said. He congratulated Obama on his election victory by telegram, the Kremlin said.

Financial Crisis

The Russian leader renewed his criticism of the U.S. for the global financial crisis, saying that U.S. failure to coordinate its economic policy with other countries allowed a ``local'' crisis to cause ``a fall on the markets of the whole planet.'' He also said the U.S. provoked the war between Russia and Georgia in August, a position he had voiced before.

Medvedev chose the day when global attention was focused on the U.S. to announce a number of sweeping changes in domestic policy, including the extension of the Russian president's term in office to six years from four.

Russian presidents are now limited to two consecutive four- year terms. Putin, as president from 2000 until May of this year, strengthened the office by centralizing power. He became Medvedev's prime minister, and will be eligible to run in the next presidential contest.

Term Extension

``Increasing the term is timely,'' Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin told reporters after Medvedev's speech in Moscow today. ``It will allow the economy to work in a more stable manner. Six years is a good term.''

Medvedev said members of the State Duma, the lower house of parliament, should have their terms extended to five years from four, and that the government should report to parliament on an annual basis.

On the global financial crisis, Medvedev said the U.S., the European Union and the so-called BRIC countries -- Brazil, Russia, India and China -- must work together to create an economic system that will be ``more fair and more secure.'' He added that ``we must radically reform the political and economic systems. Russia, at all events, will insist on this.''

Medvedev travels to Washington on Nov. 15 for a summit on the financial crisis. Presidential spokeswoman Natalya Timakova said last week that no decision had been made on whether Medvedev would meet the new president during his visit.

`Barbaric Aggression'

His calls for a new global order come after the worst month for Russian investors in a decade. The 50-stock RTS Index dropped 36 percent in October, the biggest monthly decline since the government devalued the ruble and defaulted on domestic debt in 1998. Investors have withdrawn about $140 billion from Russia in the last three months, according to BNP Paribas SA.

Medvedev began his address in the Kremlin by blaming the U.S. for Russia's five-day war with Georgia in August, which followed attempts by President Mikheil Saakashvili to take by force the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

``The barbaric aggression against South Ossetia'' was encouraged by the U.S. and Russia's military response was used by NATO as an excuse to send warships to the Black Sea, Medvedev said

[ksgbobo]

Great post TR.

Just wanted to give my thoughts.

As someone who is planning on joining the service next year, I will do my best to support the President. I may not have voted for him, or agree with what he has said or what he will do, but I will do my best to support him. I just hope President-elect Obama will do a good job.

I am dissappointed with my state of Florida, we have become a blue state, thanks to those wackos who live in Southern Florida. Thanks! But, here in Northern Florida, we are still Red!

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by afchic

Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev said he would deploy new missiles in Europe, confronting the U.S. hours after Barack Obama won the American presidential election.

Medvedev said he would place a short-range Iskander missile system in Russia's exclave of Kaliningrad, wedged between Poland and Lithuania, to ``neutralize'' a planned U.S. missile-defense system ``if necessary,'' Medvedev said. A radio-jamming installation in Kaliningrad will also be aimed at elements of the U.S. system in Poland and the Czech Republic, he said.

And it begins, less than 24 hours from declaring BHO the POTUS elect, sadly I am not surprised and even sadder is we're going to see allot more of this, the worlds wolves will be knocking on our door shortly and looks like Russia is getting in line to be first. Old Joe was right, and the sheeple voted for it, we now will get to reap what they have sown.

[Roguish Lawyer]

This is the result of the left controlling the schools and media for the last 20 years. It will only get worse if we don't take them back, especially the schools.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

This is the result of the left controlling the schools and media for the last 20 years. It will only get worse if we don't take them back, especially the schools.

RL,

I agree....The schools and the media are how it's all got started.

GB TFS

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by jiggz23

First, were is it that being pro-military equates to being pro-republican?

Second, BHO ran a much better campaing. Get over it.

Third, before suggesting BHO's policy has anything to do with socialism, understand what socialism is. read more. talk less.

Fourth, not all dems are sheeple. if you'd like to engage in proper discourse, let us begin.

Jiggz--

With all due respect, your post displays exceptionally bad form.

If one is going to position one's self as intellectually superior, one should double check one's spelling and punctuation.

If one is going to chastise others, one should avoid statements like "get over it."

If one is looking to earn respect of guests of this forum (the hosts and the QPs have taken you to task and I would not presume to speak for them), patronizing comments like "let us begin" may not serve you well.

[KClapp]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

As soon as the leadership violates the Constitution, we are no longer obligated to obey those orders.

Thank you, sir, that needed to be stated. However, my concern is the point at which the leadership violates the Constitution may be so obfuscated, that it will be missed. That will be the death knell of this nation as a constitutional republic. It happened in Germany, as you know, and it can readily happen here.

I have the life experiences of having visited socialist countries, and in some cases, assisted with planning the overthrow of those countries' leadership.

And that experience and your mindset may be all that we have to help stand against those who would strip us of our Constitutional liberties. I just hope and pray when the time comes, that we are actually capable of identifying the LD.

Karl

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by 3SoldierDad

Don't kid yourself. The media will soon turn on him like a pack of jackals. He won't have much of a honeymoon.

Three Soldier Dad...Chuck

I disagree, I don't they will challenge him, they won't be able to, if they do their access to the White House will disappear, look at Florida. The media sold their souls by not challenging him to start with, he's in now for at least 4 years, he has the power and they do or will know that shortly. Freedom of the press, yea good luck with that, BHO was allowed to run and win because they threw their lott in with him and completely failed to show any objectivity, but now he doesn't need them, not for the next 2-4 years, not to mention if they start to actually be critical of him and the truth comes out they would have to accept that they are in part responsible for his coronation, nope I think the quote on quote news outlets will continue on their quest to portray him in only positive light, that way they were right and he is the savior.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Defender968

I disagree, I don't they will challenge him, they won't be able to, if they do their access to the White House will disappear, look at Florida. The media sold their souls by not challenging him to start with, he's in now for at least 4 years, he has the power and they do or will know that shortly. Freedom of the press, yea good luck with that, BHO was allowed to run and win because they threw their lott in with him and completely failed to show any objectivity, but now he doesn't need them, not for the next 2-4 years, not to mention if they start to actually be critical of him and the truth comes out they would have to accept that they are in part responsible for his coronation, nope I think the quote on quote news outlets will continue on their quest to portray him in only positive light, that way they were right and he is the savior.

Concur completely.

They will be relieved of any competition, balance, or reality check by the new Fairness Doctrine.

And any honest criticism from the MSM will be branded as racist by him and/or his accomplices.

That will only happen a few times and they will realize that he is the Teflon POTUS, and not speak ill of him again.

TR

[True Believer]

Originally Posted by charlietwo

Hold tight to your arms, boys. Things could get interesting.

Thought I would offer some comfort to the group. I have spent a day of educating the ignorant and this what I keep thinking to myself.

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it" -Thomas Jefferson

One issue that bothers me with most coversations is the shallow justification in rationale as to why individuals vote for certain candidates. Just my .02 though.

[HQ6]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

When you are sitting on your ass at Bragg, CoC too scared that someone will get hurt to leave the team room, with no money, fuel, or ammo to train

That pretty much sums up my fears for my husband over the next four years.

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Reminds me of an nationalist-socialist Austrian corporal who was a great motivator and speaker, elected when his country was at a low point, rose to absolute power, manipulated his country's constitution, and fooled a lot of his own people with the assistance of the press.

Funny how that imagery keeps coming back to me over and over again. From the indoctrination of school children to telling people who to scapegoat/blame for their trouble because Heaven forbid people take responsibility for their own actions/finances, the Obama camp has repeatly reminded me of the National Socialist Workers' Party. If they start making us sew elephants to our clothes, I am packing up the guns and heading for the Appalachians.

[KClapp]

Originally Posted by oso blanca

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it" -Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson had the benefit of being a member of a generation who were willing to stand and die for their beliefs. They were willing to be ostracized by fellow countrymen and labeled a terrorist. They were willing to break the "law" to promote their ideology and move towards what they believed was a better way to govern.

I contend this generation of Americans is no longer willing to utilize the Second Amendment as intended by the Founders. I offer this observation by a respected member of lightfighter.net who also served in the U.S. military under honorable conditions. I think it speaks to the prevailing mindset of this nation and the loss of will we have today. (I have removed the explatives as they added nothing to the context of the message.)

The quoted text is in response to a query about what individauls would do if an AWB were put into effect with no grandfather clause. Whether you believe a non-grandfather AWB is probable (it is most assuradly possible), it speaks to the heart of the issue we face in this nation, which is the lack of moral courage.

It's a stupid line of thought because the only sober and sane way to deal with such nonsense is to follow whatever the law is and deal with the problem through proper channels (voting, advocating pro-gun legislation, lawsuits, etc.).

Or to think of it another way, there are lots of pretty committed people who oppose Roe vs. Wade, right? They do all sorts of political things to further their cause. Everyone knows this and accepts it. Right up until some <one> blows up an abortion clinic. At that point, the <person> in question becomes a terrorist. When that happens, they become the enemy of everyone on this board. Period.

Back to the gun control thing. This is primarily a military and police board. What answer do you think you're going to get if you ask a group of people like that what they'll do if big brother goes looking for everyone's guns? I'll make it easy for you, they'll continue to do their jobs. If they don't they will be replaced by people who will. That's how it works in real life. Any fantasies of general insurrection in the event of draconian gun confiscation efforts by some sort of national decree are just that, a fantasy. Because if you or anyone else thinks they are going to successfully take on a SWAT team or a squad of Infantry, you are either delusional or talking out of your <head>. If the .gov comes for your black guns, you won't leave the country or make an Omega Man style last stand. You’ll follow the law and complain about it, because that's how the world works.

Until then, don't vote for people who advocate gun control and don't start stupid walter mitty fantasy threads on this board.

We seem to have the courage of our convictions only if those convictions line up with the "law". History has established that the "law" is not always moral or ethical and can be detrimental to individual freedom.

[SilkRider32]

Obama has all the fixin's to wreck havoc on our country. With the House and Senate being mostly Democratic they can shove down our throats all kinds of legislation, most of if not all we are not going to like. All of the hard working people better get use to sharing the wealth with those who don't like to work because he has already promised that. Life as we have known it will change but not for the better. Taxes will go up and not to mention the cost of living.

As I watched his speech last night and they showed the people in the audience, they were standing there as if they were looking at a god. That was scary and with that type of sheeple following he will be able to do anything he pleases. Like some of the other posts stated it reminds us of Hitler and his take over of Germany.