Are we at war with Islam?

[Dan]

Here's a video that ya'll might be interested in seeing:

www.youtube.com/v/-HlaVpqUXF0

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Friendly and peaceful little group, aren't they?

[incommin]

So when do we start the 10th crusade? When do we stop being politically correct? How do you wipe out a religion? How many generations will it take to take the hate out of Islam? I don't have any issues with killing people who want to harm my family and our way of life. The question is how do you do it?

[The Reaper]

By making this country energy independent. The POTUS should have announced a Manhattan project for alternate energy sources commercially available to Americans in less than ten years when prices hit $50 per barrel.

Then we can just fence the region off and wait till their Reformation is over.

TR

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

Then we can just fence the region off and wait till their Reformation is over. TR

Their reformation may require Lucifer rather than Luther, and a huge fence, possibly a wall. Actually, they need to look at their own roots for their reformation, Isalm was a different animal prior to the Crusades, expansionistic, yes, but a much more tolerant version than the current vintage. Take a look at the cultural resurgence sparked by the Moorish cultural influence in Spain during that time - 3 Popes were trained in the Quadrividium by the Calif of Seville or the Calif of Toledo. I think that internal politics (religious and secular), and economics had a huge part to play in this current radical resurgence. I will not condemn the people, nor condone the leadership -we all know there can be huge differences between the two, and some of the populace will follow the leadership in order to survive the purges (see Naziizm, Bolshevism, Maoism, early militant Catholicism, British/French/German Reformations).

Just my .02 - take it or leave it.

[incommin]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

By making this country energy independent. The POTUS should have announced a Manhattan project for alternate energy sources commercially available to Americans in less than ten years when prices hit $50 per barrel.

Then we can just fence the region off and wait till their Reformation is over.

TR

Take away their oil revenues and let them learn to eat sand or live in peace with the rest of the world. I like that.

[Monsoon65]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

By making this country energy independent. The POTUS should have announced a Manhattan project for alternate energy sources commercially available to Americans in less than ten years when prices hit $50 per barrel.

Then we can just fence the region off and wait till their Reformation is over.

TR

And the frustrating part is that we can do this. Sure, it's not going to be done overnight, but we can do it. JFK said we'd have a man on the moon by the end of the decade, and we did. Carter should have made a similar statement as soon as Iran got uppity in the 1970's.

[deanwells]

Lack of Education breeds gerbils for manipulation by those who are educated and given the gift of gab to move the masses into oblivion.

A barstool debater once told me that in a neighborhood bar. What do the QP's think about this statement?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by deanwells

Lack of Education breeds gerbils for manipulation by those who are educated and given the gift of gab to move the masses into oblivion.

A barstool debater once told me that in a neighborhood bar. What do the QP's think about this statement?

One does not need an education to compel those gerbils to do anything. (Remember, mohammed was illiterate.)

[Patriot]

Out of curiosity I googled up the Quran, and conducted some searches, for things like fighting, war, battle, slaves, divorce, etc.

If this book (the Quran) is the source they use to guide them in life then I have to say yes, we are at war with Islam. Some muslims choose to engage us in battle, others are engaging us by other means. But, they are seeking our downfall because according to the Quran it is the duty of all muslims to endeavour to make Islam the dominant religion on earth.

[deanwells]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

One does not need an education to compel those gerbils to do anything. (Remember, mohammed was illiterate.)

I concur

[Team Sergeant]

That quote is going to leave a mark........ (I hope the Pope is sporting body armor....)


Pope's speech stirs Muslim anger

The Pope's comments came on a visit to Germany
Muslim religious leaders have accused Pope Benedict XVI of quoting anti-Islamic remarks during a speech at a German university this week.

Questioning the concept of holy war, he quoted a 14th-Century Christian emperor who said Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things.

A senior Pakistani Islamic scholar, Javed Ahmed Gamdi, said jihad was not about spreading Islam with the sword.

Turkey's top religious official asked for an apology for the "hostile" words.

In Indian-administered Kashmir, police seized copies of newspapers which reported the Pope's comments to prevent any tension.

A Vatican spokesman, Father Frederico Lombardi, said he did not believe the Pope's comments were meant as a harsh criticism of Islam.

'Abhorrent'

In his speech at Regensburg University, the German-born pontiff explored the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity and the relationship between violence and faith.

Stressing that they were not his own words, he quoted Emperor Manual II Paleologos of Byzantine, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

The emperors words were, he said: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

The Pope is due to visit Turkey in November and the Turkish response was swift and strong, the BBC's Sarah Rainsford reports from Istanbul.

Religious leader Ali Badda Kolu said the Pope's comments represented what he called an "abhorrent, hostile and prejudiced point of view".

Whilst Muslims might express their criticism of Islam and of Christianity, he argued, they would never defame the Holy Bible or Jesus Christ.

He said he hoped the Pope's speech did not reflect "hatred in his heart" against Islam.

Many Turks see Benedict as a Turkophobe and commentators call his words just before the holy month of Ramadan "ill-timed and ill-conceived", our correspondent adds.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5346480.stm

[incommin]

My son in law, USAF LTC, sent me this:

On July 15, MSNBC's "Connected" program discussed the July 7th London
attacks. One of the guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has
filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the
Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Kil lers," is based on
interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and
would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. Pierre agreed to
a request for a Q&A interview here about his work on the new film.

Q - What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh film?

A - I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film on PTSD
(Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with the persona
lities of those who had committed those crimes, as they were described again
and again by their victims. Especially the fact that suicide bombers are all
smiling one second before they blow themselves up.

Q - Why is this film especially important?

A - People don't understand the devastating culture behind this unbelievable
phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it addresses the real
problem, showing the real face of Islam. It points the f inger against a
culture of hatred in which the uneducated are brainwashed to a level where
their only solution in life becomes to kill themselves and kill others in
the name of a God whose word, as transmitted by other men, has become their
only certitude.

Q - What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know that
other experts do not know?

A - I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of
an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event,
generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are
talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no
opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from
the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute.
So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to
a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is
no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated
subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot
satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam
describes heaven as a place where everything on Earth will finally be
allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others
and killing thems elves to reach this redemption becomes their only
solution.

Q - What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their families
and survivors of suicide bombings?

A - It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing with
seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic,
which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that
what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like
interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the
absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, m y son is dead." Her son
had became a shaheed, a martyr, which for her was a greater source of pride
than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize.
This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation
of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people
whose only dream, only achievement goal is to fulfill what they believe to
be their destiny, namely to be a Shaheed or the family of a shaheed. They
don't see the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have
to destroy .

Q - You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power, beyond
punishment. Is death the ultimate power?

A - Not death as an end, but death as a door opener to the after- life. They
are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for God, the
ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore experience this
single delusional second of absolute power, where nothing bad can ever
happen to them, since they become God's sword.

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Q - Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the
psychopathology.

A - Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes, generally
inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with religion. They usually
have a lack of developed personality. Usually they are impressionable
idealists. In the western world they would easily have become drug addicts,
but not criminals. Interestingly, they are not criminals since they don't
see good and evil the same way that we do. If they had been raised in an
Occidental culture, they would have hated violence. But they constantly
battle against their own death anxiety. The only solution to this
deep-seated pathology is to be willing to die and be rewarded in the
after-life in Paradise.

Q - Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction?

A - Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a territory or
to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah, the supreme judge,
and what He tells them to do.

Q - Do all Muslims interpret jihad and martyrdom in the same way?

A - All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on
earth. They believe this is the only true religion and there is no room, in
their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate Muslims
and extremists is that moderate Muslims don't think they will see the
absolute victory of Islam during their lifetime, therefore they respect
other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the Prophecy
of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran, is for
today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims to
become extremists.

Q - Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers.

A - Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty, placing
God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and women,
forbidding sex, giving women no power whatsoever, and placing men in charge
of family honor, which is mainly connected to their women's behavior.

Q - What socio-economic forces support the perpetuation of suicide bombings?

A - Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist
organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same organizations through
different networks. The ironic thing in the case of Palestinian suicide
bombers is that most of the money comes through financial support from the
Occidental world, donated to a culture that utterly hates and rejects the
West (mainly symbolized by Israel).

Q - Is there a financial support network for the families of the suicide
bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect the decision?

A - There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam Hussein
($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but these days are
gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families would sacrifice their
children for money. Although, the children themselves who are very
attached to their families, might find in this financial support another
reason to become suicide bombers. It is like buying a life insurance policy
and then committing suicide.

Q - Why are so many suicide bombers young men?

A - As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is a
sure way to become a hero. The shaheed are the cowboys or the firemen of
Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this culture. And what
kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a fireman?

Q - What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation?

A - The U.N. is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or
ex-communist countries. Their hands are tied. The U.N. has condemned Israel
more than any other country in the world, including the regime of Castro,
Idi Amin or Kaddahfi . By behaving this way, the U.N. leaves a door open by
not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In addition, through
UNRWA, the U.N. is directly tied to terror organizations such as Hamas,
representing 65 percent of their apparatus in the so-called Palestini an
refugee camps. As a support to Arab countries, the U.N. has maintained
Palestinians in camps with the hope to "return" into Israel for more than 50
years, therefore making it impossible to settle those populations, which
still live in deplorable conditions. Four hundred million dollars are spent
every year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of
UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman Eric
Cantor on this sub ject, and in my film "Hostages of Hatred").

Q - You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a smart bomb'
simultaneously. Explain what you mean.

A - Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last second
the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but a platform
representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't know it.

Q - How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and terrorism
in general?

Continuation:

A - Stop being politically correct and stop believing that this culture is a
victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of Nazism.
Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had to defeat
him in order to make peace one day with the German people.

Q - Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large numbers?
Based on your research, would you predict that we are beginning to see a new
wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle East?

A - Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the radical
Islamists. Everywhere Islam expands there is regional conflict. Right now,
there are thousands of candidates for martyrdom lining up in training camps
in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Inside Europe, hundreds of illegal
mosques are preparing the next step of brain washing to lost young men who
cannot find a satisfying identity in the Occidental world. Israel is much
more prepared for this than the rest of the world will ever be. Yes, there
will be more suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this is only the
beginning.

[JMI]

Not sure if this has been posted before.

Obsession:The Movie

I ordered a copy, and will look to order "Suicide Killers" as well.