08-11-2005, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Tuukka
Peregrino, sharp eye. That would obviously be 180grainers.
But i do shoot the S&B 230gr in my Colt..
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Hey Tuuk, resend me your information. That package I sent came back undeliverable!
And let me know about the USP! 
TS, I would love to set something like that up as long as I got to audit the class!
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08-11-2005, 14:05
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The most effective handgun weapon system in the world is the one that hits the non ballistic gelatin threat with the BMT CQB ammunition. The BMT handgun ammunition is an equal oppurtunity employment problem solver except that some specific weapons with less supported barrel chambers require after market barrels before they can step up to the plate.
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08-11-2005, 14:30
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The most effective handgun weapon system in the world is the one that hits the non ballistic gelatin threat with the BMT CQB ammunition. The BMT handgun ammunition is an equal oppurtunity employment problem solver except that some specific weapons with less supported barrel chambers require after market barrels before they can step up to the plate.
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No lie. That stuff will burn through steel, stop in drywall (or tissue), and leave one big, raggedy, smoking hole in the recipient.
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08-12-2005, 08:43
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Great, something new to want! :)
I know it says LEO and Military, but is there any law against a civi "obtaining"/carrying some?
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08-12-2005, 09:03
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I know it says LEO and Military, but is there any law against a civi "obtaining"/carrying some?
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I do not know of any way for you to "obtain" the LeMas ammo.
TR
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08-12-2005, 09:39
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No lie. That stuff will burn through steel, stop in drywall (or tissue), and leave one big, raggedy, smoking hole in the recipient.
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How does this bullet function? Makes no sense to me but there is always a chance that someone actually made something that defies common sense.
Gene
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08-12-2005, 10:14
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I may be jumping on this one a bit late, but Scotty, your new 1911 is a hi-cap.
Is this the first 1911 hi-cap you have ever owned? If so you may have a simple problem. You could just be limp wristing the pistol. We all know that 1911s are prone to jamming when limp wristed and the hi-cap varients are even more afflicted. When you go from shooting a regular to a hi-cap, most people who are frequent 1911 users don't think twice about their grip. It does however effect the pistol possibly leading to limp wristing, leading to the problem you desrcibed.
I had the same exact issue when I bought my first hi-cap 1911 (a Para-Ord TacFour LDA).
Check your grip out and that may solve your problem.
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08-12-2005, 10:17
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[QUOTE=Gene Econ]
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No lie. That stuff will burn through steel, stop in drywall (or tissue), and leave one big, raggedy, smoking hole in the recipient.
How does this bullet function? Makes no sense to me but there is always a chance that someone actually made something that defies common sense.
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Not my job to know why the rounds do what they do, but it is my job to know and demonstrate the scalable increase in operational capabilities this armor piercing ammunition provides.
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08-12-2005, 10:24
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[QUOTE=APLP]
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Originally Posted by Gene Econ
Not my job to know why the rounds do what they do, but it is my job to know and demonstrate the scalable increase in operational capabilities this armor piercing ammunition provides.
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Gene, meet APLP, APLP Gene. 
Gene,
I met APLP this year at the Shot Show, good man, knows his stuff!
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08-12-2005, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Gene Econ
How does this bullet function? Makes no sense to me but there is always a chance that someone actually made something that defies common sense.
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Extreme velocity, very special composition.
I have fired a couple of hundred rounds of the LeMas BMT on targets from steel, to drywall, to raw meat, to live tissue. I have seen several hundred more rounds fired. I can personally state that I have witnessed it to my satisfaction, and it does what they claim it will do. I cannot explain exactly how, but I am merely another knuckle dragging trigger puller, it is not my job to explain it.
I have seen a LeMas .300 Rem Ultra Mag blow a roast into pieces, some flying as far as 50 feet from the point of impact. The same round easily burned through steel armor plate, yet stopped in just a couple of sheets of drywall. I have seen it in live tissue, the bullet penetrates and disintegrates like an explosive went off in the wound. Frag dispersed as far as 20" from the wound channel, bones shattered several inches from the track of the bullet. Our Doc said that all he could do for a hit to an extremity was to amputate at the next higher joint, a body or head shot would be unsurvivable even if you were prepped and on the OR table when hit. I have put a LeMas .45 ACP round through my Para P-12 (with a 3.5" barrel) through 1/4" aluminum armor and 11 gauge stainless steel when a Hydrashok would barely dent it. Do a search on the site here for some more info and pics. Contact APLP for product info.
Check out the following links:
http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=361
http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=577
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bl.../?s=2005_side1
Frankly, I am at a loss as to why we are not currently using it for at least the SOF troops. There are apparently big players trying to squash it, a disinformation campaign by individuals who should know better, and rumors swirling about like the winds on a match day. Most recent one I heard was that they acknowledged its efficacy, but said that the woulds were "too horrible" for it to be approved for use, despite the fact that it is available in an open tipped match configuration that complies with all Protocols.
HTH, contact me if you want to communicate with someone not affiliated with the company who has seen it work, repeatedly.
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08-12-2005, 11:57
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..."I am merely another knuckle dragging trigger puller, it is not my job to explain it."...
The word for the day is Litotes.
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08-12-2005, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Tubbs
I may be jumping on this one a bit late, but Scotty, your new 1911 is a hi-cap.
Is this the first 1911 hi-cap you have ever owned? If so you may have a simple problem. You could just be limp wristing the pistol. We all know that 1911s are prone to jamming when limp wristed and the hi-cap varients are even more afflicted. When you go from shooting a regular to a hi-cap, most people who are frequent 1911 users don't think twice about their grip. It does however effect the pistol possibly leading to limp wristing, leading to the problem you desrcibed.
I had the same exact issue when I bought my first hi-cap 1911 (a Para-Ord TacFour LDA).
Check your grip out and that may solve your problem.
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Well, the infinite possibility for "limp wrist" jokes aside, yes, this is the first hi-cap .45 I've ever owned. I've always had a pretty stable shooting platform, though I'm not a beefy guy, I'm pretty strong. I'll explore some of my hand positions this weekend, but I still think the predominant problem is with the cleaning solution or the weapon itself. (I know, right, always the tool not the user).
I'll see what happens. Thanks!
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08-12-2005, 13:31
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Well, the infinite possibility for "limp wrist" jokes aside...
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Come on now...we're hardly the type of guys to make juvenile 'limp wrist' jokes.
There's much more comedic potential in glitter.
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08-12-2005, 15:04
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Come on now...we're hardly the type of guys to make juvenile 'limp wrist' jokes.
There's much more comedic potential in glitter. |
I'm not touching that one. How're you doing, bro? Long time no see.
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