12-19-2009, 15:50
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Lighten up, Francis.
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12-19-2009, 16:15
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Excuse me for stepping out of my lane, but WTF are you talking about sir?
I find you grandious patheitc argument that SF, when/if Documented properly, is somehow akin to the assanine reality televison shows in production today, rediculous!
Just my .02 civilian opinion! You need to step off of that one, sir, as SF Men were, are, and are always going to be heroes!
Holly
Holly,
Although we certainly appreciate the strength of your support and feelings about SF - I think you misread jw74's post here - I read it as him just being sarcastic about the idea that it seems as if everyone wants to use the SF title nowadays for nearly anything.
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Richard read me correctly. How you came up with "grandious and patheitc" is beyond me. I have nothing but the highest regard for SF. If it were otherwise, I would not be a member here. The term "Special Forces" has a specific meaning in this country and it is misused constantly in media/entertainment. Words matter. Context matters. If you ever think I am being disrespectful to the men of SF in one of my posts, You are not reading me correctly.
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12-19-2009, 16:28
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Originally Posted by jw74
Richard read me correctly. How you came up with "grandious and patheitc" is beyond me. I have nothing but the highest regard for SF. If it were otherwise, I would not be a member here. The term "Special Forces" has a specific meaning in this country and it is misused constantly in media/entertainment. Words matter. Context matters. If you ever think I am being disrespectful to the men of SF in one of my posts, You are not reading me correctly.
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Richard--PM recieved, and thank you Sir!
jw, Am kind of a weird chick. See these guys are the real deal, and in a world filled with half-assed wannabees, it means a lot that They allow me to be a guest here...hence my reason for defense, where They are concerned! ( Not that they even need it...LOL!  )
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12-19-2009, 16:49
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Anybody see those comments the YOUTUBE folks left on those previews? It's impressive how stupid people are.
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12-19-2009, 17:18
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
You were not the math whiz in school, were you?
100-50%=50.
50-50%=25.
25-20%=20.
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Sorry TR, I stand corrected. I thought for a moment there that the entire class was dropped AND a few of the cadre were relieved as well. Now that would have been an awesome story!
Don't try to bracket me, I am already moving to a new hide site,,,,,,,
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12-19-2009, 17:22
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Don't try to bracket me, I am already moving to a new hide site,,,,,,,
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You can run but you can't hide...we've got you in our remote viewing sights - and you know what we can do to goats. 
Richard's jaded $.02 
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12-19-2009, 17:25
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Originally Posted by blue02hd
Sorry TR, I stand corrected. I thought for a moment there that the entire class was dropped AND a few of the cadre were relieved as well. Now that would have been an awesome story!
Don't try to bracket me, I am already moving to a new hide site,,,,,,,
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As a matter of fact, they relieved about half of our cadre at the end of Phase 1 for abusive behavior. And the NCOIC was banging his right hand man's wife.
But that is another story. 
TR
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12-19-2009, 23:37
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Last Easy Class
I think I was a class or two ahead of TR (grad july 84) and I have always said "I went through the last easy class" However, in reality i guess it wasnt that easy. I probably had the same cadre and definitely had the same stats as TR. 500 show up at pre phase, 250 start phase 1 and something over 100 finish Phase 1. lose a few more in phase 2 and a couple in phase 3 and of course the two idiots (both sadly aquantainces of mine) that got a DUI the night before graduation and tossed out and literally shipped to Alaska. Lots of the people that failed out ended up in the 82nd as they had already PCSd to Bragg. TDY to a selection process makes a lot more sense to me. I didnt realize that a bunch of the Cadre were relieved. TR - was SSG Tacia still one of the TACs when you went through? Will always remember that guy. I am somewhat bothered by all the info out there and think some of the mystery of the course is gone but if the process still produces a high quality SF Soldier then i guess it isnt all that bad.
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12-20-2009, 00:00
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Originally Posted by jw74
Richard read me correctly. How you came up with "grandious and patheitc" is beyond me. I have nothing but the highest regard for SF. If it were otherwise, I would not be a member here. The term "Special Forces" has a specific meaning in this country and it is misused constantly in media/entertainment. Words matter. Context matters. If you ever think I am being disrespectful to the men of SF in one of my posts, You are not reading me correctly.
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JW, get your smelling salts out, then go to the discovery channel and do a search for "special forces". Yeah....I be the QP's didn't know the SEALs had been reanamed. 
As for Special Forces Chefs. I have seen a LOT Of food porn in my life. The ONLY way I am going to turn on the Food channel these days and risk my backside getting biggger is IF those QP chefs cook naked in thier 'beenies'..
I plead under the influence tonight..
AM
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12-20-2009, 17:03
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Hope discovery puts the full episode on their site so I can watch it. Can't afford cable these days 
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12-20-2009, 17:16
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Hope discovery puts the full episode on their site so I can watch it. Can't afford cable these days |
I'm sure it will be all over youtube soon enough.
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12-20-2009, 19:49
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Sleeping during night land nav? Walking around with headlights (and on)? ROTFLMAO!
Bear Martin and Richmond Nail would have killed us!
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12-20-2009, 20:00
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Good program.
Too much yelling, IMHO.
Maybe the cut down to two weeks requires a big smoker early in the course. Or maybe it is the younger age of the candidates.
I am not a fan of the technique. Tell the candidates what to do and let them go.
The biometric monitoring is something that has been needed for a long time. Glad to see it added.
For those thinking that they will G2 the course from this show, I suspect that it has already changed significantly. Good luck.
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12-20-2009, 20:31
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Good program.
Too much yelling, IMHO.
Maybe the cut down to two weeks requires a big smoker early in the course. Or maybe it is the younger age of the candidates.
I am not a fan of the technique. Tell the candidates what to do and let them go...
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I concur.
I dont remember the cadre yelling during log/rifle PT and we had quite a few VW's that morning...
I know a couple guys who had gone thru the 24-day version and were med drops who went back to the 14-day and both of them said the 24-day version was easier on the body but harder on the mind (due to down time)...
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12-20-2009, 20:42
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I see sarcasm is still the training tool of choice.
I don't care for the "encouragement" either.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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