06-30-2004, 15:31
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It doesn't sense!
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Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Thank you mffjm.
I need to start shooting shorter "more likely" pistol ranges when I practice. I started shooting myine at 15 paces (16 yards). Of course, my groups didn't look like RL's.
I found it REALLY made me pay attention to fundamentals if I wanted to have groups.
What stance were you shooting from RL?
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To begin shooting from that distance...to hard to gauge the fundamentals.
As far as stance... similar to a boxers' stance.
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06-30-2004, 15:42
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LOL...
Guy, Let me clarify... I didn't "begin" shooting pistols at that range. I have been shooting guns for 20 years. My post was worded badly.
I "began" shooting my latest addition (Kimber .45) at that distance. Just going to have to change the bulk of my practicing from a range of 15 yds down to 5 -7 with it. I will still shoot at the longer distances, just shoot a higher % at the closer ranges.
On stance.. I have always practiced in the stance described by Guy. Jsut wanted to find out what the TS is teaching. I usually have a very experienced shooter with me to watch me and correct my minor mistakes. He has been shooting for over 50 yrs, including in military combat. Not a TS though... 
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06-30-2004, 15:44
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As far as stance... similar to a boxers' stance.
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Roger that!
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06-30-2004, 17:33
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I only teach one stance, straight on. (iso position for pistol)
You can ask RL where I stand when teaching, and I do NOT recommend anyone teach utilizing this method unless they are a seasoned weapons instructor. (A QP will understand.)
I like to think I can teach as well as I can shoot. There is another QP on here that has witnessed my shooting ability.
MFF,
Your assessment works fine for a professional. Had I run a civilian through that, the first shooting session would be over before the assessment was complete!
(Our HALO ODA was once challenged by the SOT ODA and I happened to have a broken right thumb. There is another QP on this board that was there and can report what transpired that day. It was very amusing)
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06-30-2004, 18:20
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I'll try again....
For the guys on that shoot often its just a warm up....
but for my newer guys that dont have much pistol experience then it gets them familiar with firing the pistol and sets them up to make identifiable fundamental mistakes on the first B&D drill if they are going to have problems.....
TS,
I agree that some may not be able to progress to 15 meters as the session dictates. It does give me a chance to evaluate who can progress and who cannot....who needs more B&D and more work at closer ranges with fundamental work from 3 to 4 before progressing to 1-4 work or more advanced CTEs.....
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06-30-2004, 18:21
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Originally posted by mffjm8509
For the guys that shoot often its basically a
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ND?
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06-30-2004, 18:22
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roger, and I appologize....
when shall I report to the board?
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06-30-2004, 18:24
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06-30-2004, 18:29
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LOL- he hit the submit reply button before he was ready.
No board MFF - you are a Team Sergeant, just stand in front of a mirror and give yourself the "Team Sergeant Stare". LOL
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06-30-2004, 18:39
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Quote:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
No board MFF - you are a Team Sergeant, just stand in front of a mirror and give yourself the "Team Sergeant Stare". LOL
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I'm a civilian, and yet I am LMAO!!! Good one, NDD.
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06-30-2004, 18:44
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Adjustable sights?
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Sights? Boy you city kids have all the good stuff.
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06-30-2004, 20:09
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Quote:
Originally posted by Team Sergeant
You can ask RL where I stand when teaching, and I do NOT recommend anyone teach utilizing this method unless they are a seasoned weapons instructor. (A QP will understand.)
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Well, RL... do you have some info for the jawbreaker? LOL 
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06-30-2004, 20:10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Team Sergeant
You can ask RL where I stand when teaching, and I do NOT recommend anyone teach utilizing this method unless they are a seasoned weapons instructor. (A QP will understand.)
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Here is a diagram.
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06-30-2004, 20:20
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Thanks RL. We were typing at the same time.
Team Sergeant or other QP's-
Why would a civilian not be a suitable subject for the exercises that mffjm has suggested? Please give lil' saca more info on what was meant by this.
On another note- brief back forum has been lonely lately... why not a TS shooting competition story for the episode you described in your prior post.
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06-30-2004, 20:24
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Quote:
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Here is a diagram.
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Aaah so. The old telephone pole/railroad tracks technique - very seldom used except by Team Sergeants.
Are you left handed RL?
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