Are we at war with Islam? - Page 36

Doc · 07-31-2005, 16:22

Concur with TR.

Doc

NousDefionsDoc · 07-31-2005, 21:22

Politicians admit Muslim religion lights the terrorist match
By Jen Shroder (07/31/05)

Shamil Bsayev is planning atrocities similar to the massacre of 330 children and holding a thousand hostages at a predominantly Christian school in Russia. Islamists taunted Christian parents by dangling their dead children by their toes through school windows. Basayev is also credited for holding 800 hostage and 50 deaths at a Russian theater. Basayev said on a rebel website: "Through the kindness of Allah, [we] celebrated a double holiday -- that of the victory over fascism and a small but very important victory over Russia."

Muslim organizations threaten lawsuits of anyone connecting Islam to "Islamist fanaticism" as our government attempts to convince the public that mainstream Islam is peaceful. Richard Ben-Veniste of the 911 Commission dropped a bomb on Hardball and revealed:
"Our mission is to separate Bin Laden and the al-Qaida and the al-Qaida wannabes from the Muslim world at large to make it inhospitable."
There is a need to separate the two because they ARE one. Thus the public saturation of a fabricated Islam, defanged and sanitized, separated from the "extremists" and devoid of Koran verses. But behind the scenes, politicians identify and conclude the obvious:
"This is NOT a war on terrorism. It is a war against Islamist fundamentalist terrorists. These are Jihadists who want to achieve certain goals. They want to get us out of Afghanistan. They want to get us out of Saudi Arabia. They want to get us out of Iraq. They want to get us out of Iraq by using the techniques of terrorists." ?James Gorelick, 911 Commission, Hardball 9/13/04

"This is a religion that is indistinguishable from politics. The politics and religion are the same thing but the promise is eternal life. You know?to kill people, you get rewarded."

[When asked if we never did anything against them politically, would they still rage against us] , "Just ask Bin Laden himself. Bin Laden said three things: ?Get out of the Middle East, convert to Islam and end all the corruption of your society.?" Slade Gorton, 911 Commission, Hardball 9/13/04

"Yet as political, social, and economic problems created flammable societies, Bin Laden used Islam?s most extreme, fundamentalist traditions as his match. All these elements ?including religion?combined in an explosive compound." 911 Commission Report, pg 54.

"We are infidels, we are not simply non-Muslim. We are people who lead good Muslims away from the true faith in the minds of Bin Laden. We are the greater danger, that?s why we are the great satan. It is not about what we did in Iran, it is not about what we?ve done in Iraq or elsewhere, it?s the very fact that our existence, that our pluralism, is a direct threat to their version of Islam." ? Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, "Diplomacy and Counterterrorism", House International Relations Committee Chairman 8/24/04

[Discussing the slaughter of school children in Russia] "Some of them have religious motivations as well as political motivations but the same mindset, the same mindset governed them even though they may have very well not have been members of al-Qaida." [On culture, religion or US policy] "You are separating three things and saying is it this, is it that or is it the third? The three are not indistinguishable among these people." Slade Gorton, 911 Commission, Hardball 9/13/04

"The American taxpayers are spending millions of millions of dollars to provide education for these Palestinian children to no avail, making it worse and perhaps the worst offenders of all, the Saudis?we had representatives of the State Department sitting right where you are, talking about this wonderful friendship and these great partners with us against the war on terrorism, I thought I was living in a parallel universe when I heard that nonsense. The madrassas?we do need to reform them but knowing that the Saudis are getting millions and millions and millions of dollars to fund these madrassas which are all anti-American, anti?Western, so having said that very long introduction, how do we break through it? We support nations that support individuals that do not have our best interests at heart, quite the contrary, they?re our biggest enemies in the world and we dress them up and we take them out on a date and pretend that they?re our lovers and they are NOT." ?Rep. Shelle!
y Berkley, , "Diplomacy and Counterterrorism," House International Relations Committee Chairman 8/24/04

Usama Bin Ladin and other Islamist terrorist leaders draw on a long tradition of extreme intolerance within one stream of Islam...that stream is motivated by religion and does not distinguish politics from religion, thus distorting both...Bin Ladin and Islamist terrorist mean exactly what they say: to them America is the font of all evil, the "head of the snake," and it must be converted or destroyed. It is not a position with which Americans can bargain or negotiate. With it there is no common ground?not even respect for life?on which to begin a dialogue. It can only be destroyed or utterly isolated. 9/11 Commission Report (pg 362, 363)

As politicians admit the truth, our children are being led to "Assume you are a Muslim soldier" on their way to conquer nations in the 7th grade textbook, Across the Centuries, the ONLY funded textbook in California and distributed nationwide. It also invites our children to imagine they are on a pilgrimage to Mecca, which is what Bin Laden believes he is doing as he follows the method of Muhammad, spreading Islam through peace with covert violent groups outlined in the Koran, Hadith and Sunna.

So as Islamist terrorists taunt Christian parents by dangling their dead children by their feet from windows of a Russian school, I do NOT want my son assuming he?s a Muslim soldier. As Islamists issue fatwas for the death of my people, I would rather my son not imagine he?s a part of them, following the footsteps of Muhammad and learning poetic descriptions of a religion that demands his loyalty or threatens to behead his own people as outlined in their holy books.

Shamil Bsayev gives glory to Allah in slaughtering us, even as we are told "Allah" is another name for "God." Doesn?t anyone find it odd that Allah curses God?s children, Christians and Jews, and demands our slaughter in the Koran?

Sources:
Shamil Bsayev:
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/sto...224&p=y5yxy693x
911 Commission Hardball quotes:
http://www.blessedcause.org/indoctr...1%20coverup.htm
What?s in the Quran / Koran:
http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm

**Roguish Lawyer** · 08-01-2005, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Doc

Concur with TR.

Doc

Me too. Excellent point.

NousDefionsDoc · 08-01-2005, 12:01

Me three. My hopes aren't high.

**Peregrino** · 08-01-2005, 12:27

Me too! Muslims can either do a "controlled burn" and get rid of the detritus on the forest floor or leave it alone and see what happens when the flames get into the treetops. (Ask Mr. Harsey how he feels about crown fires.) Anybody excusing Islamic violence or denying that the Quran explicitely condones/demands violence against non-Muslims and "apostates" is at best a Quisling; we won't discuss the "at worst" case. My .02 - Peregrino

Sigi · 08-01-2005, 21:33

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

We have interned our citizens and deported our detractors, waged total war, and unleashed Hell on Earth before. If the Muslims do not help get this under control, assist us with tracking these people down, and drag themselves and their faith into the 21st Century, the day may come when we DO have to view all Muslims as threats and deal with them accordingly.

What would we do if NYC, LA, and Chicago were burned off the face of the planet tomorrow, or hemorraghic plague were to kill millions of our people, in the name of Allah? Blame the 19 directly responsible, or their supporters and enablers?

Sometimes I think we are waiting for the inevitable tragedy to occur, as if 9/11 wasn't enough. Well said, Sir.

CoLawman · 08-02-2005, 21:01

I'm on board with TR

Sacamuelas · 08-25-2005, 10:01

On August 01, 2005 posting to the Islamic Renewal Organization, (link edited out by Saca) by Firas on behalf of Ansar al-Sunnah offered a very clear answer to the question “What do they want?” Ansar al-Sunnah wants the entire world under Islamic law and even disparages the Arab countries currently “posing” as Islamic rulers. Note that they also dismiss all possibility of compromise or to even accept dhimmi status of non-Muslims. Finally, it is very clear that the “lesser jihad” or the fighting jihad is the only acceptable means to the end and that it is an obligation, not a choice.

Posted to the Islamic Renewal Organization, link edited out by Saca by Firas on behalf of Ansar al-Sunnah. Original language: Arabic

Today, the Islamic Nation has no succession, no country, no dominance, and no land. It is taken up by the infidel and the apostate, and its people are ruled by unbelieving tyrants with positive laws and forced establishment. Its land has been divided by the infidel nations with untrue and unjustified borders which were dictated to us by the occupying infidels and [Islamic] leaders who exchanged our religion in atheism and branded our generations as slaves.

As for penetrating the enemy lines and deploying agents among different services, this is permissible as long as it causes harm to the enemy as mentioned by most scholars. It is not permissible to penetrate enemy lines to bring about peaceful coexistence, secured living, and personal interest. By commingling, the nation's cause will be lost as it was to so many previous generations [who existed among blasphemous nations].

The inevitable obligation of our time is to follow the tradition of the messenger of God -- May God's peace and prayers be upon him -- by fighting against the polytheists, apostates, and reviving this obligation and keeping firm to revive the nation's sovereignty and enablement
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Al-Qa’ida Claims to have Killed Two Algerian Diplomats

On July 27, "Al-Rifi," a contributor to the "Islamic" forum of the Ana al-Muslim website, posted a statement issued by Abu-Mus'ab al-Zarqawi's al-Qa'ida of Jihad Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers [Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn], in which the group announced the execution of two Algerian diplomats.

The statement calls the nation of Algeria a “tyrant state,” and accuses it of “hurting Muslims and launching the war against them.”

Posted to the Ana al-Muslim web site on July 27, 2005:
Statement issued by Al-Qa’ida Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers [ Iraq ]
Original language: Arabic

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.

Oh God, guide our aim and keep our feet firm.

Praise be to God, Who elevated Islam with His support, humiliated polytheism with His might, ordained the vicissitudes of affairs with His commandment, lured the infidels with His cunning, and destined the alteration of the days with His justice. Prayers and peace be upon the one through whose sword God raised the guiding light of Islam.

Today, Wednesday, 19 Jumada al-Thani 1426, corresponding to 27 July 2005, your brothers in the military wing of al-Qa'ida [of Jihad] Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers carried out the verdict of the legal court, which based its verdict on God's command to kill all the polytheists, and also according to the saying of the Prophet, may God's peace and prayers be upon him, who said, 'Kill [Muslims] whosoever changes his faith,' by executing the Chief of the Algerian Mission Ali Bil'arussi, and Izz al-Din Binqadi [referred to later as Balqadi], the diplomatic attache. These are the emissaries of the State of Algeria, which rules with laws other than God's, allied itself with the Jews and the Christians, sent those two apostates in support of the US presence in the Land of the Two Rivers, and followed in their footsteps. 'And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them' [Koranic verse].

We have seen the world's reaction that has not settled yet, when we took those two apostates into custody, while no one seemed to pay attention when the crusaders arrested two innocent women in Iraq . Now having seen what the US has done to Muslims in Iraq , shedding blood, violating honor, and raping women. The states of vice speed up the pace and help the US and stand with those enemies of God. We ask, did the tyrant Arab states not boycott Israel , having claimed that Israel occupied fraternal Arab country? So, what is the reason behind the hurry to help the Jews and the Christians in their aggression against the Muslims in the Land of the Two Rivers? The sight of gold in the goldmine does not imply its precious value. The state of Algeria, the Arab Tyrants, the Western states, and the US have all come form the same hole, the hole of hellfire. Some people are calling on us to release those apostates without carrying out God's verdict; we would like to tell them that no one can intercede to stop [the carrying out of] one of God's laws. We can never forget what the State of Algeria has committed against the Muslims; bloodshed, killing, and destruction. We will not forget what the diplomatic attache Izz al-Din Balqadi did. He was one of those who participated in the massacres of Al-Rayis and Ibn-Talha, which they falsely attributed to the mujahidin and resulted in hundreds of Algerian Muslim victims. As a reward for his performance, sincerity and dedication to the task at hand, he [the diplomatic attache], along with a number of his aides, was promoted from the rank of lieutenant to the rank of major in the Intelligence Bureau.

We have not forgotten what the tyrant state of Algeria does today, hurting Muslims and launching the war against them, particularly the Salafi Group for the Call and Combat, may God protect them and guide their aim.

Have we not warned you, you enemies of God, not to ally yourselves with the Jews and the Christians, and stand in line with the US and follow their plots? Now, we reiterate that the Land of the Two Rivers is no longer safe for the enemies of God; rather, it is fire that will burn all those who follow blasphemy.

Praise be to God, the ones who captured the two Algerians, captured them from among the police force in the middle of Baghdad . Praise be to God, the members of the brigade that captured them managed to return safely, after God bestowed His victory and enabled them [to complete their task]. None of the members was captured. Praise and thanks be to God.

God is Great, God is Great. Glory be to God, His messenger, and the mujahidin."
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Al-Qa’ida statement says two Algerian diplomats have been “sentenced to death”

On July 26, "Murasil Akhbar 4," the moderator of the World News Network forum, posted a statement issued by the Al-Qa' ida Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers [Tanzim Al-Qa ' ida fi Bilad al-Rafidayn] in which the group announced a decision by its Shari' ah Court to execute the two Algerian diplomats held captive in Iraq.

Within this statement, the group claims to have jurisdiction within their own Shari’ah court for the passing of this death sentence over other “contemporary despotic governments,” claiming that those governments’ actions have made their representatives legitimate targets for the “mujahidin’s swords.”

Posted by the moderator of the World News Network forum on July 26, 2005:
Statement issued by Al-Qa’ida Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers [ Iraq ]
Original language: Arabic

"Statement issued by the Shari' ah Court

The court' s decision on the Algerian envoys

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Praise be to God, who says: "In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding." [part of a Koranic verse]. May God ' s peace and blessings be upon he who obeyed the Sunnah and [the Holy] Book [Prophet Muhammad], upon his household and good companions, and also upon those who follow them charitably until doomsday.

Due to the apostasy of the contemporary despotic governments that gave their legislation and constitutions precedence over God ' s shari ' ah and injunctions, that ruled Muslims evoking instruments other than the Islamic shari ' ah, that did not make do with this, but also fought those who called for obeying the auspicious shari ' ah, killed honest mujahidin and God-fearing scholars, and supported Jews, Christians, and infidels in the course of their war against Islam and Muslims; the ambassadors of these governments and their representatives wherever they are have become legitimate targets for the mujahidin ' s swords. God says: "Then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them." [Part of a Koranic verse]

The prophet, may God ' s peace and blessings be upon him, says: "Kill whoever changes his religion." This hadith is related by Al-Bukhari.

Based on the above, the Shari ' ah Court of the Al-Qa ' ida Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers has decided to carry out God ' s ruling on the diplomatic envoys of the apostate Algerian Government, who are Chief of Mission Ali Belaroussi and diplomatic attache Azzedine Belkadi by killing them.

This is the ruling that also applies to the ambassadors and envoys of the remainder of the infidel governments. There can be no destiny for them except killing. Praise be to God, backer of the mujahidin.

May God ' s peace and blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammad, upon his household, and upon all his companions.

God is Great. God is Great. Pride belongs to God, to his messenger, and to the mujahidin.

magician · 08-25-2005, 11:30

And there it is.

That journalist, for once, brought these matters into a clear and unambiguous light.

It is the Sharia, and the dream of a Caliphate, that is driving Muslim fundamentalists. They consider any Muslim who does not subscribe to their own interpretations of scripture to be an apostate, and this is the heart of the conflict between Shia and Sunni.

The Taliban implemented an Islamic state. They were a model, an example, of how any future Islamic state founded upon Sharia law would appear.

The madrasas are funded by any number of Islamic charities, and they do preach an unreconstructed, fundamentalist form of Islam. This problem is global. There are madrasas everywhere. These Islamic charities are primarily Saudi.

I think that TR is correct: our own Western traditions of tolerance work to our own detriment. We have a long tradition of freedom of worship. In this case, that tradition is incompatible with the defense of our societies and values, and a continuing hands-off policy towards the madrasas, the Islamic charities, and the basic contradictions inherent in Saudi policies only prolongues the inevitable.

The last century was the century of the conflict between communism and democracy.

This century will be the century of conflict between those who seek to establish an Islamic Cailphate and the rest of us.

God forbid that the next terrorist attack on US soil incorporates weapons of mass destruction. Nothing should be so feared on the planet as an America united in a demand for vengeance.

**Team Sergeant** · 09-15-2005, 12:02

Who would have ever thought......

Notice how the iranian president mentions he will share with other "islamic nations" not nations in need of nuclear power, but "islamic nations". let's keep our heads in the sand and "hope" all the other islamic nations he shares irans nuclear tech with are all just as level headed as the iranian people.

TS

Iran Willing to Share Nuclear Technology
Sep 15 12:30 PM US/Eastern

By NASSER KARIMI
Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran

Iran is willing to provide other Islamic nations with nuclear technology, Iran's hard-line president said Thursday.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made the comments after meeting Turkey's prime minister on the sidelines of a gathering of world leaders at the United Nations, according to the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency.

Ahmadinejad repeated promises that Iran will not pursue nuclear weapons, IRNA reported. Then he added: "Iran is ready to transfer nuclear know-how to the Islamic countries due to their need."

Iran has said it is determined to pursue its nuclear program to process uranium and produce energy, despite European attempts to limit it. The United States accuses Tehran of secretly seeking to develop nuclear weapons, a charge Tehran denies.

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Associated Press Write George Jahn contributed to this report from Vienna.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/15/D8CKQ3G00.html

09-18-2005, 20:18

No big surprise here, but with the charade that is continuing at the UN thought I would post this.

http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publ...cle_9657.shtml

The dispute between Iran and the West on the nuclear issue can be summed up by the answer to one main question: When Iran says that it's interested in developing nuclear capacity, what does it mean?

Ali Larijani, the new secretary of the "Supreme Council for National Security" in Iran, went on a lot of trouble this week to convince the western press that Iran's intension is to gain nuclear capacity for peaceful use only. At the same time, his own brother, Mohammed Javad Larijani, who is also the head of the Physics Research Center in Iran, told an Iranian audience a completely different story.

During a speech he made at a conference on "Nuclear Technology and the Iranian people's will" on August 1st, Mohammed Javad Larijani told his audience that "It is our right to have nuclear defense and we will not be ready to give up this right..." and that "Iran's dispute with the West should have been over nuclear weapon production rather than over the nuclear fuel cycle...."

**Team Sergeant** · 10-02-2005, 09:20

So if we're not at war with islam then would someone explain the Bali bombings? To free Indonesia? To rid Indonesia of the American military presence? (oops, there is no American military presence in Indonesia.) Or maybe, just as saudi arabia, the moslem majority does not want ANY western influence in their "mainstream" moslem majority country? This is my thoughts as the targets were tourists, western tourists.

Officials Eye Al Qaeda in Bali Bombings
Sunday, October 02, 2005

BALI, Indonesia — Indonesia (search) said Sunday it suspected two fugitives linked to Al Qaeda had masterminded the homicide bombings of crowded restaurants in tourist resorts on the Indonesian island of Bali that killed at least 26 people and injured more than 100.
Maj. Gen. Ansyaad Mbai (search), a top Indonesian anti-terror official, identified the two suspected masterminds as Malaysians alleged to be key members of the Al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah terror group. They are also accused of orchestrating the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings, as well as two other attacks in the Indonesian capital in 2003 and 2004. The nightclub bombings, which also struck venues crowded with tourists on a Saturday night, killed 202 people, most of them foreigners.
In the latest attacks, three homicide bombers wearing explosive vests set off near-simultaneous explosions that devastated three restaurants crowded with diners on Saturday night.
"The modus operandi of Saturday's attacks is the same as the earlier ones," said Mbai, who identified the two suspected masterminds as Azahari bin Husin (search) and Noordin Mohamed Top.
He said the two were not believed to be among the three homicide attackers. The assailants' remains were found at the bombing scenes but they have not yet been identified, he said.
(Story continues below)
"I have seen them. All that is left is their head and feet," he told The Associated Press. "By the evidence we can conclude the bombers were carrying the explosives around their waists."
Video footage of one of the blasts showed groups of tourists, many of them apparently Westerners, seated at candlelit tables talking and sipping drinks in the seconds before the explosion. The footage, obtained by Associated Press Television News, then shows a bright flash accompanied by a loud bang and gusts of black smoke.
It was not immediately clear whether the three homicide bombers were included in the death toll which climbed to 26 on Sunday, according to Sanglah Hospital spokesman Putu Putra Wisada. Six Americans were among the injured.
Long lines formed at checkout counters at Bali's international airport with a steady stream of taxis dropping off passengers.
"We were up all night trying to change our ticket," said Veli-Matti Enqvist, 51, who had been scheduled to leave Bali with his wife on Wednesday. The couple was walking on the beach when they heard the blasts. "We finally found something ... we're going."
After the 2002 bombings, there was an immediate and massive evacuation of foreign visitors which devastated the island's tourist industry.
The latest bombings struck two seafood cafes in the Jimbaran beach resort and a three-story noodle and steakhouse in downtown Kuta. Kuta is the bustling tourist center of Bali where the two nightclubs were bombed three years ago.
The latest attacks came a month after Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono warned of possible terrorist attacks. On Saturday, he blamed terrorists and warned that more attacks were possible. The president was in Bali on Sunday to see the devastation firsthand.
"We will hunt down the perpetrators and bring them to justice," he said.
Western and Indonesian intelligence agencies have warned repeatedly that Jemaah Islamiyah was plotting more attacks in the world's most populous Muslim country. Last month, Yudhoyono said he was especially worried the extremist network was about to strike."I received information at the time that terrorists were planning an action in Jakarta and that explosives were ready," he said Saturday.
Dozens of people, most of them Indonesian, waited in tears outside the morgue in Sanglah Hospital, near the island's capital Denpasar, for news of friends and relatives missing since the attacks.
One Australian and a Japanese citizen were among those killed, along with 12 Indonesians. Hospital officials were trying to identify the other victims.
The 101 wounded included 49 Indonesians, 17 Australians, six Americans, six Koreans, four Japanese, officials said.
The White House condemned the "attack aimed at innocent people taking their evening meal."
"We also express our solidarity with the government of Indonesia and convey our readiness to assist in any way," spokeswoman Erin Healy said.
The bombers struck at about 8 p.m. as thousands of diners flocked to restaurants in tourist areas on the bustling, mostly Hindu island, which was just starting to recover from the 2002 blasts.
The head waiter at the Menega Cafe said the bomb went off at his beachside restaurant between the tables of two large dinner parties, who were sitting in the sand. Most of the 120 diners at the restaurant were Indonesian, he said.
"Everyone started screaming "Allah, Allah, help!" said Wayan Subagia, 23, who escaped with injuries to his leg. "One woman rushed to pick up her child but the little girl was already dead."
Minutes later he heard another blast at the Nyoman seafood restaurant, about 50 yards away.
At almost the same time about 18 miles away in Kuta, a bomb exploded at the three-story Raja restaurant in a bustling outdoor shopping center. The area includes a KFC fast-food restaurant, clothing stores and a tourist information center.
Smoke poured from the badly damaged building.
The bomb apparently went off on the restaurant's second floor, and an Associated Press reporter saw at least three bodies and five wounded people there.
Before the 2002 bombings, Bali enjoyed a reputation for peace and tranquility, an exception in a country wracked for years by ethnic and separatist violence.
Courts on Bali have convicted dozens of militants for the blasts, and three suspects were sentenced to death.
Since the 2002 attacks, Jemaah Islamiyah has been tied to at least two other bombings in Indonesia, both in Jakarta. Those blasts, one outside the Australian Embassy in 2004 and the other at the J.W. Marriott hotel in 2003, killed at least 23.
The group's alleged spiritual leader, Abu Bakar Bashir, who has been jailed for conspiracy in the 2002 attacks, through a spokesman denied any personal connection to the weekend explosions. There was no statement from the group, which wants to establish an Islamic state across Southeast Asia.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170994,00.html

HOLLiS · 10-02-2005, 10:12

TS, exactly. From as long as I can remember the Islamic clerics have been blaming the West for the Deen of Islam fading. Our TV, internet, movies etc is causing Muslim to leave Islam or not be "good" muslims. Their goal is simple, the destruction of the anything that interferes with Islam.

I believe there is a Sura in the Qur'an that mentions the obligation of Muslim to make Islam the religion of the world and all "non-Muslims" must be subdued/destroyed.

CoLawman · 10-02-2005, 10:16

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

So if we're not at war with islam then would someone explain the Bali bombings? To free Indonesia? To rid Indonesia of the American military presence? (oops, there is no American military presence in Indonesia.) Or maybe, just as saudi arabia, the moslem majority does not want ANY western influence in their "mainstream" moslem majority country? This is my thoughts as the targets were tourists, western tourists.

To Free Indonesia?

Absolutely.... Of any western influence, even if it is tourism!

Indonesia is the world's most populous nation with 88% of it's 220 million population being Muslim. They are the only southeast Asian country to be a member of OPEC. Yet they have to import oil due to lack of investment in exploration and extraction of same.

It seems to me that anywhere Muslims are in control, or are the conscience of the government (Saudia Arabia comes to mind), DYSFUNCTIONAL is the adjective that best defines the country.

10-02-2005, 12:29

Just one thing that I find a little odd about this proposal in regard to Indonesia: Then why isn't the whole population out on the streets to rid their country of the infidels?

My thoughts:
It seems like the government would have a hard time keeping that under wraps.

Do they really reckon that strong a dependancy on the west? Don't also their interests, for example Aceh, suggest more of a desire to keep the outside out? Yet we're still allowed there.

Just a respectful inquiry, I lack knowledge.
Martin