why G2?

[Swindleous]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

No worries.

PM your names so that we can have your uniforms ready.

TR

Honestly I was a little disappointed he told the story to me, I'd like go in and have to put in as much if not more effort than all of those that have gone before me. He was just using it as anecdote to point out that a lot of the training is mind games. I still really have no clue what to expect and I'd like to keep it that way, and see it all for myself.

[Desert Fox]

A classic:
Just at my basic the staff really liked to bring us to "the farm" at whatever screw up they could "find". We didnt know what distance we were supposed to do. Once there was a truck and a stand full of oranges. The marching NCO was very tall (and with a very high pace for recruits). He said "the roads are closed to vehicles, we did half of it." Half of the platoon dropped. In that moment, the only difference was that we actually did less half of it!

[CPTAUSRET]

Originally Posted by Raven

CPT,
I was subscribed for a time to SOCNET, you probably heard it there. I repeatedly monkey-stomped my dick, but my screw up was quickly brought to attention and corrected.

Stuff happens sometimes you need to grow up in a hurry, and pay the piper.

You evidently survived it as you are still in the system. In the long run you may even have benefitted from all the extra attention. I'm guessing the short run may have been a b*tch.

Terry

[Pete]

Originally Posted by CPTAUSRET

I'm guessing the short run may have been a b*tch.

Terry

Out at Camp MacKall in 74 Egerton and two of the younger Sgts would run us for our two miles every morning. They were fast as lightning and smoked us on every run. One morning a short, fairly thick looking TAC was standing out front as we fell in for PT.

He gave us the right face and we were off......At a, to us, very slow pace for PT. But he kept going, and going, and going. We had been going for over an hour and the sun had come up and we could see real good. And he kept going. We were twisting and turning down hard roads, dirt roads, trails and pine flats. And we kept going.

The chase vehicle knew where we were going because it would reappear when we came out of the trails onto the roads. People were falling out but would continue to trail after the formation. When they lost sight of the formation or started walking they were put on the truck.

We saw a big clearing coming up through the trees and said to ourselves "at last" but as we came out of the trees we saw we were on the far side of the airstrip. Then the old goat got his second wind and started to stretch it out for the front gate.

Nothing was said to us as we stopped in front of the flag pole and the stragglers who were still trying came through the gate and linked up with us. As we were standing there the chase truck came in the gate, over to the area our tents were at and let the guys out. They picked up their rucks out of the tents, got back on the truck and it departed for Fort Bragg.

That guy never took us on another run and boy were we ever thankful.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by CPTAUSRET

Stuff happens sometimes you need to grow up in a hurry, and pay the piper.

You evidently survived it as you are still in the system. In the long run you may even have benefitted from all the extra attention. I'm guessing the short run may have been a b*tch.

Terry

The short run was a mofo, but it made me realize those guys in the 82nd do their part too. They've paid their dues, especially the vets in their during the WWII timeframe. I had a lot of time in the front leaning rest to reconsider my opinions.

[substantial]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

For those who are unfamiliar with the term, G2ing the course is trying to gain an unfair advantage by gathering intel about what the surprises in the course might be.

An example would be trying to determine the length of a run or ruck in advance when the point is to see if people put out their max effort for as long as they can.

Another would be to try and determine what scenarios might be encountered and what successful solutions might have worked in the past, when the scenario is intended to determine how well candidates think on their feet when confronted with a challenge.

This would more commonly be called cheating, or violating the Honor Code.

HTH.

TR

Gentlemen,

This site is an excellent resource for aspiring QPs. I’ve been reading for awhile now and had no intentions of making an introduction unless and until I signed an 18X contract and passed SFAS. However, there has been an ethical question that has been bugging me. I’ll get right to the point: Before I sign the contract, I plan on training in PT and land navigation until I feel confident enough at a high probability of success. Therefore, in a few months I plan to move to the Pinebluff area and conduct my training in the Sandhills Game Land. I think we can all agree that one should train like he fights (or in this case, train like he is tested). My question is whether training in the Sandhills for the purposes of succeeding in SFAS is an Honor Code violation? I am NOT trying to G2 the course, as I understand what G2ing means. Rather, my intent is to replicate the conditions of the testing environment as much as ethically possible. (i.e. climate and terrain)

I’m sorry if I am turning an anthill into a mountain with my concern. My original thought was that the Sandhills are public property, so there should not be a problem. Everyone has access to the Sandhills, so there is no unfair advantage. But then I started arguing the counterpoints to myself. (that’s what law school does to one) I’d rather ask a silly question than step on the toes of the very community that I am pursuing to join and work with.

Regards,
substantial

[The Reaper]

Sounds like you lack confidence.

You will be taught everything you need to know to land nav while you are at SFAS, other than how to be a soldier.

We teach people with GEDs to succeed at land nav, why are you so afraid of this task?

If the instructors see you runnign around in the woods, they will find out who you are, and that will not be a good thing.

Shouldn't you focus on Basic, AIT, and Airborne schools first?

TR

[substantial]

Thank you for the quick response TR. I’m cautious of land navigation because I have nearly zero experience with that skill and according to Major Martin’s book, land navigation is the second biggest disqualifier. (19.9%, page 5-1). I understand that I will receive land navigation training in OSUT and Phase 1a. I sometimes tend to overkill with preparation.

As far as whether training in the Sandhills is an Honor Code violation, you wrote that “if the instructors see you running around in the woods, they will find out who you are, and that will not be a good thing.” I’ll definitely take your word for it and stay away. Thank you Sir.