01-14-2015, 20:12
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Got a hold of a used but immaculate Model 70 in '06 last year. I like the .308 because of the recoil and because it's a military cartridge but I also like the '06 because I like the balance of a long action better than a short one. Agree with a few of the others that the '06 is a premier round.
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01-14-2015, 20:44
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I have been checking with local gun shops and boy do they want to gouge youto process a Mod 70 if I order it or gouge you if you buy it through them.
Went to the base BX and they are contacting Winchester to see what they can get it for me. Normally 10-20% less than on the street.
Still torn between the 06 and 7mm. If it is 7mm it will be the Mag round......
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01-14-2015, 21:35
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Originally Posted by SF_BHT
I have been checking with local gun shops and boy do they want to gouge youto process a Mod 70 if I order it or gouge you if you buy it through them.
Went to the base BX and they are contacting Winchester to see what they can get it for me. Normally 10-20% less than on the street.
Still torn between the 06 and 7mm. If it is 7mm it will be the Mag round......
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Find a local dealer who will do the paperwork for $20 or so.
Go to Gunbroker or a big dealer, order the gun and pay for it yourself.
Have the dealer send his FFL or you get a copy and mail it to the seller.
Go fill out the usual paperwork and pick up the rifle.
Easy peasy.
TR
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01-14-2015, 22:33
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Originally Posted by SF_BHT
I have been checking with local gun shops and boy do they want to gouge youto process a Mod 70 if I order it or gouge you if you buy it through them.
Went to the base BX and they are contacting Winchester to see what they can get it for me. Normally 10-20% less than on the street.
Still torn between the 06 and 7mm. If it is 7mm it will be the Mag round......
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If you do go magnum, give serious thought to the WSM. I believe it's a better round overall because it achieves everything the 7mmRM does in a lighter rifle with less powder. Yes - lighter has it's trade-offs but if I'm lugging it over hill and dale for that one shot that brings home the bacon, I'll gladly suffer a little more felt recoil. NTM - the rifle the gunsmith is building for me is intended for 1000 yd competition. I've shot his and the accuracy is phenomenal.
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01-14-2015, 22:33
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
Find a local dealer who will do the paperwork for $20 or so.
Go to Gunbroker or a big dealer, order the gun and pay for it yourself.
Have the dealer send his FFL or you get a copy and mail it to the seller.
Go fill out the usual paperwork and pick up the rifle.
Easy peasy.
TR
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Well I am in NM and I went to 3 stores and they all wanted 80-120 to do it.......They want to make more than the usual fee.
I can buy it from Winchester with a discount and beat Gunbroker. Will wait to see what the base can do. They will waive the fee if I have it shipped ther. He thinks he can get it at a good price. I am not in a hurry as I still have to get a scope....... That will be the next thread 
Hell lets just ask for input. What say you for a good mid priced scope for a Model 70 for a near sighted FOG. MIL Dot is what I want.......
Any recomendations ?
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01-14-2015, 22:41
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If you do go magnum, give serious thought to the WSM. I believe it's a better round overall because it achieves everything the 7mmRM does in a lighter rifle with less powder. Yes - lighter has it's trade-offs but if I'm lugging it over hill and dale for that one shot that brings home the bacon, I'll gladly suffer a little more felt recoil. NTM - the rifle the gunsmith is building for me is intended for 1000 yd competition. I've shot his and the accuracy is phenomenal.
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Weight and recoil are not an issue.
What is better in you experience 7mm REM Mag or 300 WSM?
Never shot a 300 WSM
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01-14-2015, 23:31
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Weight and recoil are not an issue.
What is better in you experience 7mm REM Mag or 300 WSM?
Never shot a 300 WSM
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My 300 is a WM. That choice was made for me because the rifle was a LA and I had ready access to the brass. 1400 rounds of once fired match brass is a) a lifetime supply, and b) worth almost what the rifle is. As for the 7mm REM mag, it has better ballistics but less choice WRT bullets - 30 cal really is king when it comes to bullet choices. My 7mm (when the gunsmith gets finished with it will be a 7mm WSM and it'll primarily be for long range shooting with 175 gr. SMKs. HTH.
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01-15-2015, 08:58
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For a scope? $500 range, The usual suspects- Leupold VX3, Nikon Monarch, Bushnell, et al. I have an older Nikon 3-9X40 Buckmaster on my .270 that has never let me down.
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01-15-2015, 09:15
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For a scope? $500 range, The usual suspects- Leupold VX3, Nikon Monarch, Bushnell, et al. I have an older Nikon 3-9X40 Buckmaster on my .270 that has never let me down.
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Yep. I like old Loopy's or scopes with Japanese glass.
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01-15-2015, 10:43
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
If you do go magnum, give serious thought to the WSM. I believe it's a better round overall because it achieves everything the 7mmRM does in a lighter rifle with less powder. Yes - lighter has it's trade-offs but if I'm lugging it over hill and dale for that one shot that brings home the bacon, I'll gladly suffer a little more felt recoil. NTM - the rifle the gunsmith is building for me is intended for 1000 yd competition. I've shot his and the accuracy is phenomenal.
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That .300 Winchester short mag is a heckuva round. Magnum ballistics with a short action rifle. A bunch easier to lug up a big hill. A buddy had one built, and it is an elk-whacking machine.
As to scopes, hmmm.
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01-15-2015, 11:37
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Originally Posted by mark46th
For a scope? $500 range, The usual suspects- Leupold VX3, Nikon Monarch, Bushnell, et al. I have an older Nikon 3-9X40 Buckmaster on my .270 that has never let me down.
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Mark you were reading my mind. Price point and the Leupold VX3
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01-15-2015, 17:44
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Good scope. I have heard good things(on this board) about the new, higher end Bushnells, too. But it is hard to go wrong with a Leupold, service and quality are dependable.
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01-15-2015, 19:16
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Good scope. I have heard good things(on this board) about the new, higher end Bushnells, too. But it is hard to go wrong with a Leupold, service and quality are dependable.
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Amen. One vendor told me the newer Bushnells are what the old Bausch & Lomb line used to be in quality & pricepoint. But, the benchmark for me remains Leupold. Anecdote:
Owned lots of Leupolds over the years. Only had to use the company once. A much-loved short-tube Vari-X III 1.75-6 on my 7-08 carbine (with 20yrs of hard use) apparently lost a tooth or two inside. (1 click windage suddenly started moving POI 3/4".) Sent them a target & the scope after talking to a guy. Counting the trip both ways the scope was only gone 10 days. Came back, gears replaced, purged/re-filled & complete post-production check; no charge of course. It's like having a Zippo on top of a rifle. They will continue to get my money.
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01-16-2015, 00:32
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Get a HCAR. 1 MOA @ 900 meters with 30 round mags.
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aw shoot, for that kind of price point, he'd be better off going for the Omen Match .300 WinMag (comes in 7mm and .338 too) or the Noreen .338 Bad News 
http://nemoarms.com/portfolio/omen_match2/
http://www.onlylongrange.com/badnews.asp
Never shot the Bad News, but I can speak for the Omen. Tested that exact model last year and oh man, 400 movers became literary childs play. They got the young ladies (spouse, daughters, etc.) in the audience who hardly ever shot precision pull that exact feat. The muzzle brake and spring at the bolt's end made the recoil like 5.56 if not less. I'm sure folks at R37 can pitch in on the rifle's tremendous shootability...but boy, it's looooong and the ammo price... 
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01-23-2015, 20:21
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7 Rem Mag is a great choice if you're elevating from 7.62.
One of my buddies I am mentoring uses a surplus Czech Mauser chambered in 7 Mag, topped with a 10X Super Sniper. We've shot it at a mile against steel E-types, and he dropped a 4X4 Utah elk this year at 354 laser-ranged yards.
My brother uses a 7mm Winchester Laredo, their spin on Remington's Sendero.
A muzzle brake can make a 7 Mag a pussycat.
It doesn't have to be expensive to be effective.
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