Let's talk about Swift Boat Vets for Truth - Page 3

**Ambush Master** · 08-23-2004, 21:20

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Originally posted by Ambush Master

To pulque:

You had better tread lightly on this ground, for you truly do not comprehend with whom you are engaging !!!

Too LATE !!!

**The Reaper** · 08-23-2004, 21:30

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Originally posted by pulque
In my experience, Michael Moore has lost some fans of left lean because of the perception that he is a Kerry supporter.

Do you think the rest of the public "perceives" him to be a Bush supporter?

TR

**Airbornelawyer** · 08-23-2004, 21:31

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Originally posted by pulque
Bad for Bush's campaign. He has probably been advised as such, as he condemed the ads after finding out that one of his advisors on veterans issues (Kenneth Cordier) was participating in the ads. KC was subsequently dismissed as advisor.

I am fast approaching real anger on this and similar issues. Please endeavor to ascertain the facts before regurgitating someone's spin.

The guy who's "one of his advisors on veterans issues" is Col. Kenneth Cordier, USAF, Ret'd. When Kerry was flitting to Paris to meet with North Vietnamese and VC negotiators and joining up with Vietnam Veterans Against the War, where he helped push the fraudulent Winter Soldier Investigation, the source of much of his Congressional testimony calling US soldiers war criminals, Cordier was moving from camp to camp, including his second stint in the Hanoi Hilton. Cordier was released in 1973. One of Kerry's antiwar comrades had this to say:"Tortured men do not march smartly off planes, salute the flag, and kiss their wives. They are liars. I also want to say that these men are not heroes."

Cordier was appointed to the Advisory Committee on Former Prisoners of War by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs pursuant to 38 US Code 541 in 2002. He was also recently named a member of Bush-Cheney â€˜04's National Steering Committee for veterans issues. It was the latter post from which he was asked to leave, because of fears that the Democrats would use that connection to continue the smear of SVFT as a Bush-Cheney front.

For Col. Cordier's reputation to have been tarnished by this smear campaign, while scum like Moore live it up at the Democratic convention, is disgusting. I have much more to say on this topic, but I will refrain until my BP goes down.

pulque · 08-23-2004, 21:44

Thank you for the biographical information of Col. Kenneth Cordier, USAF, Ret'd.

I must bid goodnight to all. A difference of opinion is no need for excess annoyance, or so I hope.

**The Reaper** · 08-23-2004, 21:44

pulque, would you like a larger shovel?

TR

**Ambush Master** · 08-23-2004, 21:47

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Originally posted by pulque
Originally posted by The Reaper

In my experience, Michael Moore has lost some fans of left lean because of the perception that he is a Kerry supporter.

I know that the ads are not aimed at me. In fact, there is no need for me to participate in this discussion any longer.

Ive been wondering about that.

Have the most SFingest day that you wish to, Sir.

So out into the middle of the MINEFIELD you run and show the obvious !!!

I stated: "You had better tread lightly on this ground, for you truly do not comprehend with whom you are engaging !!! "

Your response:

" AM, received and understood."

Now .......................WTFO ???

Obviously NOT !!!

You are hopeless !!!
I close with your latest quote:

I must bid goodnight to all. A difference of opinion is no need for excess annoyance, or so I hope.

All that I can say is WRONG !!!!

**The Reaper** · 08-23-2004, 21:51

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Originally posted by pulque
Thank you for the biographical information of Col. Kenneth Cordier, USAF, Ret'd.

I must bid goodnight to all. A difference of opinion is no need for excess annoyance, or so I hope.

Someone who wants to front a party line and be a tool in a hostile area should at least do a little unbiased research first.

Situational awareness and intel prep? Zero points.

Cutting and running already? Probably your best move tonight.

TR

Sacamuelas · 08-23-2004, 21:53

I voted... It is helpful to President Bush.

What states are the Swift ads running in? I don't get them in my state, but the Pensacola,FL station that I get on cable has them. ALONG with an incredible amount of the media fund anti-bush commercials running.

pulque · 08-23-2004, 22:49

I was wondering why my soapbox was getting smaller and smaller.

pulque: 0 points

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Originally posted by The Reaper
Someone who wants to front a party line and be a tool in a hostile area should at least do a little unbiased research first.

Seth · 08-23-2004, 23:39

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Originally posted by Sacamuelas

What states are the Swift ads running in?

The orginal ad was broadcast in small TV markets in, Ohio, Wisconsin and West Virginia. There is a second ad, using Kerry's own 1971 testimony before Congress that is set to run in Pennsylvania, New Mexico and Nevada.

The National Annenberg Election Survey found that nearly 6 in 10 of those surveyed has seen or heard the first SBVFT ad. Cable TV and Radio re-plays boosted the exposure of the ad beyond any expectations.

**Airbornelawyer** · 08-24-2004, 10:43

National Steering Committees are advisory bodies to the campaign. Frankly, they are more useful for their PR value than as operating bodies. Individual members, though, may have a more active role (for example, steering member Col. Joe Acinapura is Chairman of the Vermont Republican State Committee). Because it is about PR, Col. Cordier was apparently sacrificed to avoid the inevitable media spin.

The National Steering Committee for Veterans has some 60 members, ranging from sergeants to generals, and including veterans of World War Two, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and the War on Terror. It includes disabled veterans, Medal of Honor winners and, even without Col. Cordier, former POWs. For those here with a more SOF frame of mind, it includes former top SEAL RADM George Worthington and CMOH Winner Col. Roger Donlon.

The link below is to a list from when the Steering Committee was announced with brief bios. It also includes a list of the 48 "Medal of Honor Recipients for Bush-Cheney '04".

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/bush/bushorgvet.html

In the interests of objectivity I should note that the Kerry campaign might be able to produce similar lists, though I can't find any on johnkerry.com. There is an open letter from eight retired generals attacking the redeployment plan, though. The veterans page has a list of "Veterans for Kerry-Edwards State Coordinators", but these are party activists and there are only e-mail addresses. That would be a step below a steering committee (the Bush campaign also has state veterans coordinators).

There are plenty of websites along the lines of "Veterans for Bush", "Veterans Against Bush" and "Veterans Against Kerry", though, oddly, hardly any "Veterans for Kerry" (www.vets4kerry.com and www.vetsforkerry.com redirect you to the Kerry campaign website). Most of these websites, though, are likely just a small number of grassroots activists. Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, for example, is mainly the work of A-363 Mike Force vet and POW/MIA activist Ted Sampley and two other vets.

08-24-2004, 11:32

I think it is great for Bush. Kerry is self-destructing over the SBVFT.

**Roguish Lawyer** · 08-24-2004, 12:46

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE AUG 24, 2004 11:09:31 ET XXXXX

KERRY PHONES SWIFT BOAT FOES

**World Exclusive**

Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV.

The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there."

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] -- man to man -- face to face.

Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.

Developing...

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Filed By Matt Drudge
Reports are moved when circumstances warrant
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**Roguish Lawyer** · 08-24-2004, 13:14

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Bravo1-3 · 08-25-2004, 00:04

While the good Col. did indeed belong to SBVFT and was removed from his post in the campaign:

The Kerry campaigns electronic communications are run by the former Director of "Special Projects" for MoveOn.org.

At least one of Kerrys staffers (a former Clinton staffer) owns and operates his own 527 group. There is at least one offier with "The Media Fund" that also works for the Kerry Campaign. I will research the names in question.