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View Poll Results: How do you rack it?
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Slide release strong hand
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07-20-2004, 09:03
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Originally posted by Smokin Joe
I know you guys aren't Glock shooters; but don't do this with a Glock it will break the slide stop leaver.
I would love to be able to use the slide release but being a lefty so I'm stuck with the weak hand rack.
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I have never heard of a breakage by using the slide stop to drop the slide with a loaded mag in the weapon. If it did, Glock would have some explaining to do.
Dropping the slide on an empty chamber/no mag is a bad idea on any pistol, and will ruin a 1911 trigger job. My gunsmith used to tell me to ride it down by hand, or release the slide with the trigger pulled. I could not bring myself to put my finger on the trigger when not engaging a target, so I just accustomed myself to releasing the slide by hand and riding it down on an empty chamber. On a reload, I use the slide release.
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07-20-2004, 09:12
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Gentlemen,
I got it from the source when I went to the Glock Armorer's School in May.
I have yet to see one break myself but Glock say's "Rack the slide, do not use the slide stop lever. B/C it will break"
There words not mine I'm just trying to pass the info along.
TS,
I'm a huge HK fan myself but I can't carry one at work. So I only have a P7M8. If things work out maybe I will be able to carry one soon. 
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07-20-2004, 09:29
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Tell Glock this...
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Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Gentlemen,
I got it from the source when I went to the Glock Armorer's School in May.
I have yet to see one break myself but Glock say's "Rack the slide, do not use the slide stop lever. B/C it will break"
There words not mine I'm just trying to pass the info along.
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I shot the rails off of my G17! Never had a problem with the slide release/lock nor have the students I have taught. 
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07-23-2004, 19:40
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TS/ Reaper,
What causes the damage if the slide closes on an empty chamber? Or maybe a better way to phrase the question is what is it about the cartridge that prevents damage to the pistol when the round is chambered? Just trying to visualize what's going on inside the firearm.
Smokin Joe
Thanks for the advice. Just picked up a somewhat used G17 from a buddy last week so I'll need to keep it in mind.
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07-23-2004, 19:43
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TS/ Reaper,
What causes the damage if the slide closes on an empty chamber? Or maybe a better way to phrase the question is what is it about the cartridge that prevents damage to the pistol when the round is chambered? Just trying to visualize what's going on inside the firearm.
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It takes energy from the forward momentum of the slide to strip a round from the mag, and feed it into the chamber.
That slows it down and reduces the impact of internal parts considerably.
TR
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07-23-2004, 19:58
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It takes energy from the forward momentum of the slide to strip a round from the mag, and feed it into the chamber.
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Reaper,
I see what you're saying. I'm thinking this also explains the injunction against loading a round into the chamber and dropping the slide on it. When I first read the TS's comments my first thought was the friction of the round in the chamber was slowing the slide down, but that didn't make much sense. The friction of the round being held in place by the mag spring makes much more sense. Thanks for your reply.
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07-23-2004, 20:18
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Reaper,
I'm thinking this also explains the injunction against loading a round into the chamber and dropping the slide on it.
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No, I think that has more to do with 1) inertial firing pins and 2) forcing the extractor over the rim of the round, rather than it catching the round from underneath as it slides in from the mag.
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07-26-2004, 01:13
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Well, I think the slide release is faster.
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The professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive right handed shooters all use left hand thumb manipulation of the slide release during slide lock two handed reloads as the fastest technique to maximize economy of movement and resulting split times to resume engagement of targets.
Reloading from slide lock with only one functional appendage is another matter, and constitutes a dedicated CF at best under stress or not.
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07-26-2004, 04:58
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I must be missing something?
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Originally posted by APLP
The professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive right handed shooters all use left hand thumb manipulation of the slide release during slide lock two handed reloads as the fastest technique to maximize economy of movement and resulting split times to resume engagement of targets.
Reloading from slide lock with only one functional appendage is another matter, and constitutes a dedicated CF at best under stress or not.
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Are you saying "It is quicker to manipulate the slide release with your non-firing hand while doing a reload"?
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07-26-2004, 08:41
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Re: I must be missing something?
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Originally posted by Guy
Are you saying "It is quicker to manipulate the slide release with your non-firing hand while doing a reload"?
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Yes, at least in the competative shooting sports, the fastest reload techninique is to manipulates the slide release with the non-firing hand when reloading from slide lock.
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07-26-2004, 09:22
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Re: Re: I must be missing something?
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Yes, at least in the competative shooting sports, the fastest reload techninique is to manipulates the slide release with the non-firing hand when reloading from slide lock.
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I can "see" that technique working. I bet it works great in a “game” setting.
Something else to remember Guy and APLP, most of the professional shooters never started in the military. Their mindset is also different, in the military we do not have the luxury of taking our eyes off our intended targets, the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters don’t have anyone shooting back at them and can afford not to employ any tactics while competing in their games.
Just keep in mind the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters compete in a “game competition” where the outcome is always the same, no one gets hurt. While speed and accuracy are wonderful, shitty tactics will get one very dead in our world.
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07-26-2004, 09:39
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Re: Re: Re: I must be missing something?
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I can "see" that technique working. I bet it works great in a “game” setting.
Something else to remember Guy and APLP, most of the professional shooters never started in the military. Their mindset is also different, in the military we do not have the luxury of taking our eyes off our intended targets, the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters don’t have anyone shooting back at them and can afford not to employ any tactics while competing in their games.
Just keep in mind the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters compete in a “game competition” where the outcome is always the same, no one gets hurt. While speed and accuracy are wonderful, shitty tactics will get one very dead in our world.
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In my humble opinion, your comments are spot on.
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07-26-2004, 10:45
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TS:
You are CORRECT!
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07-26-2004, 11:17
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Re: Re: Re: I must be missing something?
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Originally posted by Team Sergeant
I can "see" that technique working. I bet it works great in a “game” setting.
Something else to remember Guy and APLP, most of the professional shooters never started in the military. Their mindset is also different, in the military we do not have the luxury of taking our eyes off our intended targets, the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters don’t have anyone shooting back at them and can afford not to employ any tactics while competing in their games.
Just keep in mind the professional IPSC and industry IDPA competitive shooters compete in a “game competition” where the outcome is always the same, no one gets hurt. While speed and accuracy are wonderful, shitty tactics will get one very dead in our world.
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Can I get an AMEN!! 
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08-06-2004, 13:06
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I rotate the pistol 90 degrees to my left, Thumb and Index on slide serrations. I used to go over the top, but like the slingshot better.
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